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Serrah Vasant
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-06 12:09:01 UTC
So, since I haven't heard back from CCP in a week and a half after I put in my petition, I figured I would ask the masses.

I sold this toon on the forums several, several months ago. A couple weeks ago I log in to find that the character is back on my account. I log into the character... nothing is amiss so I log out and go to work. I log in that night to see if I can figure anything else out and see that in that 8 hours or so the wallet has been taken to -7 Bil or so.

No biggy to me. However... wtf was this character transferred BACK to my account and then drained of 7 bil? I "SOLD" the character, so no foul on my part. Should I just delete the toon? Waste of a cap ready pilot if so, but meh, doesn't bother me. The issue I have is, will this negative wallet have any effect on me? Will this go on some sort of record on my account? I don't need **** like that.

Anyone have any clues?
Joseph Sulaco
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-04-06 12:35:13 UTC
One possibility is you failed to properly complete the character transfer transaction and after the person who "bought" your character transferred the ISK they never ended up with said character and petitions for a reimbursement. This is probably how you lost your ISK. I would research the sale thread and link it in the petition to save the GM some time and maybe help your case. As well as verifying if the money was in fact removed from your payment for the character transfer.

As far as a negative wallet goes... You really can't do **** until that becomes positive again. If they GMs think you are at fault for whatever reason and won't refund the 7bill you will need to funnel ISK into that hole to fill it somehow.

Good luck! Your best bet scenario is some jackass scammed the GMs for you 7billion ISK. In that case hopefully you can escalate it to a senior GM and have them fix your wallet.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#3 - 2012-04-06 12:56:56 UTC
This has happened because you dared to call your character a 'toon'.
Serrah Vasant
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-06 12:57:37 UTC
Joseph Sulaco wrote:
One possibility is you failed to properly complete the character transfer transaction and after the person who "bought" your character transferred the ISK they never ended up with said character and petitions for a reimbursement. This is probably how you lost your ISK. I would research the sale thread and link it in the petition to save the GM some time and maybe help your case. As well as verifying if the money was in fact removed from your payment for the character transfer.

As far as a negative wallet goes... You really can't do **** until that becomes positive again. If they GMs think you are at fault for whatever reason and won't refund the 7bill you will need to funnel ISK into that hole to fill it somehow.

Good luck! Your best bet scenario is some jackass scammed the GMs for you 7billion ISK. In that case hopefully you can escalate it to a senior GM and have them fix your wallet.


Well, I sold the toon back in October or somewhere close to that. As for the isk lost, it's in this toons wallet, not mine. I haven't lost anything. The only thing that has happened to be is that I got my old toon back with a negative wallet. As far as I'm concerned I can delete the toon. Nothing gained, nothing lost for me. I just want to make sure that the negative wallet that this toon has won't affect me in any way. Thank you for your reply though. I'm keeping my petition in and hoping that it doesn't take another week and a half for a reply.
Serrah Vasant
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-06 12:58:13 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
This has happened because you dared to call your character a 'toon'.



I've been calling them toons for 8+ years. Since I played UO and EQ. :P
Joseph Sulaco
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-04-06 13:11:13 UTC
Serrah Vasant wrote:
Joseph Sulaco wrote:
One possibility is you failed to properly complete the character transfer transaction and after the person who "bought" your character transferred the ISK they never ended up with said character and petitions for a reimbursement. This is probably how you lost your ISK. I would research the sale thread and link it in the petition to save the GM some time and maybe help your case. As well as verifying if the money was in fact removed from your payment for the character transfer.

As far as a negative wallet goes... You really can't do **** until that becomes positive again. If they GMs think you are at fault for whatever reason and won't refund the 7bill you will need to funnel ISK into that hole to fill it somehow.

Good luck! Your best bet scenario is some jackass scammed the GMs for you 7billion ISK. In that case hopefully you can escalate it to a senior GM and have them fix your wallet.


Well, I sold the toon back in October or somewhere close to that. As for the isk lost, it's in this toons wallet, not mine. I haven't lost anything. The only thing that has happened to be is that I got my old toon back with a negative wallet. As far as I'm concerned I can delete the toon. Nothing gained, nothing lost for me. I just want to make sure that the negative wallet that this toon has won't affect me in any way. Thank you for your reply though. I'm keeping my petition in and hoping that it doesn't take another week and a half for a reply.


If it's just an alt like you say, then probably nothing to worry about. If it's on the same account as your main then a GM will probably be able to research it at a later date, but that shouldn't matter.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#7 - 2012-04-06 13:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
I would imagine that this has something to do with an RMT or botting investigation. Whether that means there was an error made on CCPs part in determining proper current ownership of your character, or whether you were RMTing or botting with that character at some point, only you can know. I'm not accusing, just stating objectively that it is likely one or the other.

If you are just seeing an unintended result in an RMTor botting investigation I'd get it sorted out. Remember, CCP looks at all of your accounts... not just the character in question. A penalized character on that account would be considered a strike against you already if you bot or engage in RMT.

If you are just trying to cover your tracks (because of what I just mentioned) and were actually unwise enough to do RMT or botting with a capital qualified character (or any of your characters for that matter) then I have no sympathy.

PS: People who call EVE characters toons tend to be mocked for forgetting what game they are playing. Smile

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#8 - 2012-04-06 21:44:09 UTC
Now that I think about his, the answer is pretty obvious what has likely happened.

You did RMT or botted with this character and then sold it.

CCP has tracked back to this point and have undone the transaction, as well as put the account in the hole the appropriate amount.

Since no one is yelling for the character back they were either reimbursed, or more likely you sold it to somone who has been banned for RMT or botting themselves. Possibly even one of your own accounts to attempt to distance it from your main account.

If this is indeed the case, I doubt that biomassing the character would be wise. CCP announced they had no problem with transfering debt in an RMT or botting case to a persons main character when warranted... and they don't really care what particular account (if you have multiple accounts) that character is on.

I imagine we will see more of these posts in the future.

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-06 21:49:24 UTC
If that were true they'd probably have banned all his accounts being able to be linked back to the person. Since it came back to him they know the where abouts... In which case should have banned this other accounts/characters as well.

But yes has something to do with RMT/botting.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#10 - 2012-04-06 21:54:40 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
If that were true they'd probably have banned all his accounts being able to be linked back to the person. Since it came back to him they know the where abouts... In which case should have banned this other accounts/characters as well.

But yes has something to do with RMT/botting.


It would depend on exactly what part he played. In many cases the account is simply docked the appropriate amount of money, usually if he was simply helping launder it.

The reversing the character sale is a new twist. It rather nicely lets them know that they know EXACTLY what he was up to and with which accounts.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#11 - 2012-04-06 22:29:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Beekeeper Bob
Ranger 1 wrote:
Now that I think about his, the answer is pretty obvious what has likely happened.

You did RMT or botted with this character and then sold it.

CCP has tracked back to this point and have undone the transaction, as well as put the account in the hole the appropriate amount.

Since no one is yelling for the character back they were either reimbursed, or more likely you sold it to somone who has been banned for RMT or botting themselves. Possibly even one of your own accounts to attempt to distance it from your main account.

If this is indeed the case, I doubt that biomassing the character would be wise. CCP announced they had no problem with transfering debt in an RMT or botting case to a persons main character when warranted... and they don't really care what particular account (if you have multiple accounts) that character is on.

I imagine we will see more of these posts in the future.



Once again, your assuming CCP is all-knowing.

Late last year I bought a char, and within 24 hours got a nasty GM hate mail accusing me of RMTing. Stating that sanctions were coming down, and I had no recourse.
Two days, several evemails and a forum post later, I received a "sorry we didn't notice it was transferred evemail" in way of apology.
This is just too point out that not only can they make mistakes, but the tools they are using aren't very good....

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Jita Alt666
#12 - 2012-04-07 00:11:49 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


Once again, your assuming CCP is all-knowing.

Late last year I bought a char, and within 24 hours got a nasty GM hate mail accusing me of RMTing. Stating that sanctions were coming down, and I had no recourse.
Two days, several evemails and a forum post later, I received a "sorry we didn't notice it was transferred evemail" in way of apology.
This is just too point out that not only can they make mistakes, but the tools they are using aren't very good....


Thank you for your: "Guys, guys, I have a story that I swear is completely true and I am not leaving anything out" unprovable and undefendable argument.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-07 03:25:12 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Now that I think about his, the answer is pretty obvious what has likely happened.

You did RMT or botted with this character and then sold it.

CCP has tracked back to this point and have undone the transaction, as well as put the account in the hole the appropriate amount.

Since no one is yelling for the character back they were either reimbursed, or more likely you sold it to somone who has been banned for RMT or botting themselves. Possibly even one of your own accounts to attempt to distance it from your main account.

If this is indeed the case, I doubt that biomassing the character would be wise. CCP announced they had no problem with transfering debt in an RMT or botting case to a persons main character when warranted... and they don't really care what particular account (if you have multiple accounts) that character is on.

I imagine we will see more of these posts in the future.


Did you do the Horatio thing and yell YEAAH after that? U should have. I agree with your hypothesis.

Also, is your signature in reference to firefly?

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-07 03:28:18 UTC
Joseph Sulaco wrote:
One possibility is you failed to properly complete the character transfer transaction and after the person who "bought" your character transferred the ISK they never ended up with said character and petitions for a reimbursement. This is probably how you lost your ISK. I would research the sale thread and link it in the petition to save the GM some time and maybe help your case. As well as verifying if the money was in fact removed from your payment for the character transfer.

As far as a negative wallet goes... You really can't do **** until that becomes positive again. If they GMs think you are at fault for whatever reason and won't refund the 7bill you will need to funnel ISK into that hole to fill it somehow.

Good luck! Your best bet scenario is some jackass scammed the GMs for you 7billion ISK. In that case hopefully you can escalate it to a senior GM and have them fix your wallet.



[probably part of goon isk laundering scheme that was mentioned b4
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-07 03:33:24 UTC
Did you sell the character for 7b?

If so, you probably sold that character to someone caught up in activity outside the EULA. While they can remove the isk/assets, they probably found it 'best' to transfer the character back to you, but negative the wallet so that you can take the profit from the 'dirty' isk and re-sell the character to an ~honest~ EVE player.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#16 - 2012-04-07 06:32:53 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Now that I think about his, the answer is pretty obvious what has likely happened.

You did RMT or botted with this character and then sold it.

CCP has tracked back to this point and have undone the transaction, as well as put the account in the hole the appropriate amount.

Since no one is yelling for the character back they were either reimbursed, or more likely you sold it to somone who has been banned for RMT or botting themselves. Possibly even one of your own accounts to attempt to distance it from your main account.

If this is indeed the case, I doubt that biomassing the character would be wise. CCP announced they had no problem with transfering debt in an RMT or botting case to a persons main character when warranted... and they don't really care what particular account (if you have multiple accounts) that character is on.

I imagine we will see more of these posts in the future.


Did you do the Horatio thing and yell YEAAH after that? U should have. I agree with your hypothesis.

Also, is your signature in reference to firefly?


Ahh, a man of discriminating taste in his SciFi. Smile

Yes.

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malaire
#17 - 2012-04-07 08:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


Once again, your assuming CCP is all-knowing.

Late last year I bought a char, and within 24 hours got a nasty GM hate mail accusing me of RMTing. Stating that sanctions were coming down, and I had no recourse.
Two days, several evemails and a forum post later, I received a "sorry we didn't notice it was transferred evemail" in way of apology.
This is just too point out that not only can they make mistakes, but the tools they are using aren't very good....


Thank you for your: "Guys, guys, I have a story that I swear is completely true and I am not leaving anything out" unprovable and undefendable argument.

That seems true.

I think I've seen it mentioned that when GMs check for RMTing they don't bother checking whether character has been transferred recently (that would require using different tools...) and so it's the characters new owner who must inform GMs of this - and then they will cancel their action on that character.

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Serrah Vasant
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-07 08:33:33 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Now that I think about his, the answer is pretty obvious what has likely happened.

You did RMT or botted with this character and then sold it.

CCP has tracked back to this point and have undone the transaction, as well as put the account in the hole the appropriate amount.

Since no one is yelling for the character back they were either reimbursed, or more likely you sold it to somone who has been banned for RMT or botting themselves. Possibly even one of your own accounts to attempt to distance it from your main account.

If this is indeed the case, I doubt that biomassing the character would be wise. CCP announced they had no problem with transfering debt in an RMT or botting case to a persons main character when warranted... and they don't really care what particular account (if you have multiple accounts) that character is on.

I imagine we will see more of these posts in the future.


After looking at the post history, it's not as obvious as you seem to think. Since I sold the character, roughly 6 months ago. Since then, the character has been sold again.

I did a little back tracking. And this character was sold by me here...

Someone else then sold the character again here...

Once again, the character was sold here!

So, they removed the character from Person one... then Peron two... then Person three... to give it back to me and THEN removed isk because I was involved in RMT? Yah... no. I have no need to RMT as I have rarely needed isk that badly. Plexing in 0.0 makes a ton more and the few times I needed a bump, I purchased GTCs and sold them on the forums. Which my main has the history to prove to CCP. If they were going to deduct the isk, wouldn't it have been better to do it from the main on my account with nearly 90 mil sp and quite a bit more than was deducted from this toon? Instead, they gave me back a toon which I no longer needed and so sold off, took money from that toon which wasn't mine anymore to begin with, now mind you, they took it from this toon, not out of my wallet where the isk went from the sale of this toon...

None of it makes any sense! Unless.... someone who RMT'd purchased this toon, then sold it to someone else who sold it to someone else.... only to have it all come back to me? I'm not seeing anything obvious here. Which is why I have a petition in. I doubt CCP would penalize me for deleting a toon I have no need of. What would be the difference from that and me just starting a new free account, and transferring my main to it and deactivating this one? Or transferring it to one of three others? That's just ridiculous. lol
Cheshire Katt
Pyramid Celestial
#19 - 2012-04-07 08:56:01 UTC
And because I know some of you are going to be like... nuhuh how do we know that's when you sold it and you weren't the last one there..... Well this is my production corp alt CEO and the toon who I purchased the character with here... when I wanted to try doing mining in a WH I was living in. And for any of you who've lived in WHs, you know that you can make a TON of isk in them. :P
malaire
#20 - 2012-04-07 09:03:23 UTC
That character doesn't stay long with one owner. Lol

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