Ships & Modules

Does this call for a nerf then? ... Anyone ... I say Gallente ships needs to fixed ... by CCP. This is probably the reason why I only hear people talk about Canes and Drakes ... pisses me off.

Caldari? I think you mean minmatar. Caldari gets a resistance bonus which is the best defensive bonus you can get.

Yes. Yes I did.

I think that the main current problem is that even with repair bonus, certain Gallente ships, specifically the Brutix and the Hyperion, cannot tank well enough. The reason for this is

>Single repair does not repair enough to tank the incoming damage
>So to even be able to tank, you will need to fit 2 or more repairer
>But the more reppers you fit, the more capacitor and powergrid you will us
>Because of this, low slot and med slot will be occupied by more reppers and more cap boosters respectivel
>This leads to the pilot having to rely on less powergrid needed turrets and thus deal less damag
>For a Gallente ship, these factors would render it very slow, very short ranged and very weak in terms of dps and all together, this would make Gallente ships very ineffective in comba
>Also, if you fit repair rigs to aid the reppers, then you will face the lack of buffer. This might not be so much of a problem to a myrm but to a brutix, it is

---> And this is why people turn armor boats into shield boat

In the light of the argument, personally, if I could nerf Gallente ships, I would do one of the following

- Increase repair amount even further or decrease the time of each cycle, either on the ship bonus or on the module
- Reduce powergrid or reduce activation cost for repper
- Add one more low slow
- Increase the overall capacitor capacity of Gallente ship
- New implant set that increases bonus to repper

These are my ideas so far. I believe that if Gallente ships could be effective at active tanking, then it could be brought on par with its contemporary race

You talk about how amazing they are with dual armor repairers, but then you use drugs and people with gang links. As it has been stated somewhere in the forums you can get a nearly 700 DPS tank out of the thorax with gang links, and doesn't include drugs. Does that mean armor tanks are amazing? Absolutely not. Try that thorax out by itself without drugs and see how pitiful it becomes. Most people won't be using gang links or drugs to increase their tank. Gang links, drugs, and hardwirings should be bonuses, not requirements to tank decently.



Look at this pretty disappointing brutix:
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I'd say this is a pretty typical fit of how the brutix was meant to be flown. As you can see it has the level 5 pilot. Keep in mind that hardly anyone maxes every skill for every single module on the ship. In actuality this brutix will do worse on a normal pilot. It doesn't include the massive bonuses with gang links, drugs, or cybernetics 5 implants (7%). A rig slot must be sacrificed to give powergrid just to fit this simple fit. There's nothing crazy about it. The brutix simply lacks the powergrid to get a normal fit on it.

With multiple repairers you can cheat and keep one repairer overloaded for as long as you have navy cap booster 800s. When one is close to breaking you can set it back to normal operation and overload the other repairer. I included that bonus in that fit. In addition to helping the short term tank, it also provides more efficiency for long term as overloading gives 10% bonus to repair amount to that module. However, the armor repair amount is still disappointing even with all level 5s. If you want more efficiency you can replace that accelerator with another aux nano pump, although the short term tank will suffer a little more. Three armor repairers isn't practical on this ship, and probably isn't even possible. It doesn't even have enough powergrid for two. There really isn't enough low slots to use hardeners, so on average, EANMs are best.

As you can see it pretty much sucks when flown properly. People just abandon the tank, and since plates really start to slow it down (especially with trimarks), people simply put a light shield buffer on and fit for almost pure damage. This should not be. You also lose a rig slot just to get powergrid to fly it properly.

Shield boosters can be made more efficient with a shield booster amplifier and with core defense capacitor safeguards.

However, invulnerability fields are more powerful and can be overloaded. In addition, aux nano pumps are susceptible to stacking penalties while the safeguards are not. Active shield tanks still come out ahead, IMO.

What I think it comes down to is that you cannot compare them slot to slot, meaning the number of slots the respective tanks use. You must sacrifice one mid to a cap booster. You must sacrifice a mid to equip a warp disruptor or else you won't kill your target. You may also need a MWD depending on what your weapons are. Shield tanks do have to sacrifice mids for those. But, I must sacrifice lows to equip damage mods while active shield tankers don't. The thing is, damage mods aren't required so I can still fit all lows for tank. But, I then have to tank longer.

The question is that after all this, do shields still tank more than armor can even after sacrificing 2-3 mids? At least, starting with the same number of lows vs mids.

You did read my post? My point was really that you cannot talk about "they", as active tanking works spectacularly on Myrmidon, while on Brutix the crazy amount of deeps is generally seen as more desirable.

Myrm doesn't need drugs or links, but both are very common in PVP these days, as are damage hardwires and pirate implant sets.



I'd say that Brutix looks actually very nice and I'll fit one I disagree about maxing skills, most people aim to do that. I'm Fitting mods are common, but you get rid of that Anc router by downgrading just 3 turrets to Electrons, replace with a Burst aerator or tank rig according to taste. I haven't considered Brutix as a solo option, but why not try



As you can see it pretty much sucks when flown properly. People just abandon the tank, and since plates really start to slow it down (especially with trimarks), people simply put a light shield buffer on and fit for almost pure damage. This should not be. You also lose a rig slot just to get powergrid to fly it properly.[/quote]

Have you flown that fit?

Oh, I think ~1200dps~ is plenty good reason to fly it shield gank!

You can triple rep a Brutix with a single ACR rig. I myself have done it, but jumped into 10+ man gatecamps both times, so didnt really get to test it properly...

For the dual rep fit, most people drop the Cap booster and MWD to Meta 4, and downgrade a couple of guns to Electrons. No damage rigs. At least that is the solo fit I see flown most often.

No, its not idea. Hopefully in the ship rebalancing the Brutix will get another low or some more grid. Right now it is close to ok, but still suffers from the problems all of the T1 BCs do - it is intentionally inferior.

And I agree - shield tanking the Brutix sucks. I do it, but it sucks. I hope they get a tweak to armor tanking.

I can comment on it because this isn't my first character. I also played from 2006-2010, and I can say that damage wasn't quite this ridiculous back then. Active tanking didn't get nerfed, damage got buffed. That's why it's falling behind. I mean 1400 DPS on a battlecruiser? That's just stupid to me. I have always despised buffer nano fits and I was glad when CCP changed speed. Now it appears to be coming back just because damage has increased so much.

After shield explosive and armor EM resistances were lowered a bit I thought damage was fine for all turrets. Now I hear that projectiles and hybrids were buffed, a tech 3 cruiser was released that's extremely expensive but is a very powerful ship, and now a tier 3 battlecruiser was introduced that's the size of a cruiser capable of more firepower than a battleship. You say this is a sandbox, but now I cannot do what I want to do which is actively armor tank effectively. It's not even including the fact that so many ships are using neuts as well.

Oh, I have also always despised FotM ships as well just because they're good and easy. It appears that the drake and hurricane is WAY overused. I'm not going to get into a high DPS talos, nanoed, and shield buffer fit just because it's popular and good. I'll be flying ships that counter it. The same goes for that gank brutix.