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The CSM Internal vote for chairman WHAT A JOKE

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discordigant
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-05 11:54:48 UTC
This is complete BULLSHIT, the Mittani got chairman because of his highest votes, thus by rights Two Step should be the new chairman, i don't understand why there was an internal vote for chairman at all? It should have passed to the person with the second highest votes and lets also say double that of the next person in line.

If your going to re vote then i sadly and this is really sad to say but agree with the goons and a complete re vote should be done.

I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS CSM AND CCP. Maybe the CSM's days are over if they can do back door deals to choose who they want above that of the players that voted.

If your going to change the rules of an election as you go then you really should be calling it now and redoing the whole damn thing its a joke they way the CSM has chosen to proceed with CCP approval.
Aradus Gunnell
Asteroid Farm Unlimited
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-04-05 11:59:53 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf


The White Paper seems pretty clear to me on how this all goes down; where exactly did CCP change the voting schemata? Page 16 of the CSM governing document clearly states that if the Chairman is in any way removed (voluntarily or involuntarily) from his/her seat, the CSM members hold an internal election for the Chair.

This was in place long before the current debacle, no?


Not trolling, I'm asking honestly: at what point did the document change from something else to its current iteration? Where were changes made along the line?


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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-04-05 12:10:36 UTC
Aradus Gunnell wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf


The White Paper seems pretty clear to me on how this all goes down; where exactly did CCP change the voting schemata? Page 16 of the CSM governing document clearly states that if the Chairman is in any way removed (voluntarily or involuntarily) from his/her seat, the CSM members hold an internal election for the Chair.

This was in place long before the current debacle, no?


Not trolling, I'm asking honestly: at what point did the document change from something else to its current iteration? Where were changes made along the line?




Mittani stepped down from CSM 6 and was ineligible to sit in CSM 7. The chair never existed and the highest vote total of the eligible candidates was Two step.
discordigant
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-05 12:11:10 UTC
Aradus Gunnell wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf


The White Paper seems pretty clear to me on how this all goes down; where exactly did CCP change the voting schemata? Page 16 of the CSM governing document clearly states that if the Chairman is in any way removed (voluntarily or involuntarily) from his/her seat, the CSM members hold an internal election for the Chair.

This was in place long before the current debacle, no?


Not trolling, I'm asking honestly: at what point did the document change from something else to its current iteration? Where were changes made along the line?




Fair call but you seem to have added words into this of your choosing,

"If the Chairman
decides to step down or rescind his responsibility at any time for any reason, a
vote must be held among Representatives to elect another Chairman – should the
Chairman voluntarily step down as one he is still eligible for the position during
the vote for a new Chairman."


He did not step down of his own volition, he was told to by CCP or he would be removed. His stepping down the way he did was done to safe any face he had left to save and this is a mere technicality.

"any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos
by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent
exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no
exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to
uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but
should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow."
discordigant
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-05 12:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: discordigant
Vile rat wrote:
Aradus Gunnell wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf


The White Paper seems pretty clear to me on how this all goes down; where exactly did CCP change the voting schemata? Page 16 of the CSM governing document clearly states that if the Chairman is in any way removed (voluntarily or involuntarily) from his/her seat, the CSM members hold an internal election for the Chair.

This was in place long before the current debacle, no?


Not trolling, I'm asking honestly: at what point did the document change from something else to its current iteration? Where were changes made along the line?




Mittani stepped down from CSM 6 and was ineligible to sit in CSM 7. The chair never existed and the highest vote total of the eligible candidates was Two step.



This is true also.

EDIT: Damn i just agreed with a goon, what's messed up with me today.
Aradus Gunnell
Asteroid Farm Unlimited
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-04-05 12:13:35 UTC
Fair assessment; the angle here is that he never technically took office, and therefore created a bump-vote situation.


Thanks for clarification of position.

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-04-05 12:15:55 UTC
It strikes me as odd that the white paper would suggest the guy with the most votes should be Chair, but if they are removed then the next highest vote guy doesn't matter. Is there reasoning behind this or is it really as nonsensical as it seems?
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#8 - 2012-04-05 13:17:11 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
It strikes me as odd that the white paper would suggest the guy with the most votes should be Chair, but if they are removed then the next highest vote guy doesn't matter. Is there reasoning behind this or is it really as nonsensical as it seems?




Two step had been publicly lauded as the goon's favourite choice of replacement Chair. It was simply too big an opportunity to wind you guys up a little-weeny bit more by choosing a Supercap fan as Chair going forwards Cool

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-04-05 13:21:07 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
It strikes me as odd that the white paper would suggest the guy with the most votes should be Chair, but if they are removed then the next highest vote guy doesn't matter. Is there reasoning behind this or is it really as nonsensical as it seems?




Two step had been publicly lauded as the goon's favourite choice of replacement Chair. It was simply too big an opportunity to wind you guys up a little-weeny bit more by choosing a Supercap fan as Chair going forwards Cool


Man you aren't even entertaining as a low content troll. Must have been all those years running the space brothel, it just took it right out of you.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#10 - 2012-04-05 13:21:43 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
It strikes me as odd that the white paper would suggest the guy with the most votes should be Chair, but if they are removed then the next highest vote guy doesn't matter. Is there reasoning behind this or is it really as nonsensical as it seems?




Two step had been publicly lauded as the goon's favourite choice of replacement Chair. It was simply too big an opportunity to wind you guys up a little-weeny bit more by choosing a Supercap fan as Chair going forwards Cool


Man you aren't even entertaining as a low content troll. Must have been all those years running the space brothel, it just took it right out of you.



I've noticed you guys REALLY can't take a bit of humour when its directed at you.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-04-05 13:22:45 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
It strikes me as odd that the white paper would suggest the guy with the most votes should be Chair, but if they are removed then the next highest vote guy doesn't matter. Is there reasoning behind this or is it really as nonsensical as it seems?




Two step had been publicly lauded as the goon's favourite choice of replacement Chair. It was simply too big an opportunity to wind you guys up a little-weeny bit more by choosing a Supercap fan as Chair going forwards Cool


Man you aren't even entertaining as a low content troll. Must have been all those years running the space brothel, it just took it right out of you.



I've noticed you guys REALLY can't take a bit of humour when its directed at you.


Maybe be funny and people will laugh????
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#12 - 2012-04-05 13:24:04 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
It strikes me as odd that the white paper would suggest the guy with the most votes should be Chair, but if they are removed then the next highest vote guy doesn't matter. Is there reasoning behind this or is it really as nonsensical as it seems?




Two step had been publicly lauded as the goon's favourite choice of replacement Chair. It was simply too big an opportunity to wind you guys up a little-weeny bit more by choosing a Supercap fan as Chair going forwards Cool


Man you aren't even entertaining as a low content troll. Must have been all those years running the space brothel, it just took it right out of you.



I've noticed you guys REALLY can't take a bit of humour when its directed at you.


Maybe be funny and people will laugh????


if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing Big smile

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-04-05 13:25:22 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:


if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing Big smile


Ok?
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#14 - 2012-04-05 13:26:44 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing Big smile


Ok?


tell you what, have a sympathy space like and I'll stop taking the mickey for a bit.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-04-05 13:28:59 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing Big smile


Ok?


tell you what, have a sympathy space like and I'll stop taking the mickey for a bit.


What does this even mean?

I swear the english invented the language then forgot how to use it.
Frying Doom
#16 - 2012-04-05 13:43:32 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing Big smile


Ok?

You goons really need to get out of your alliance chat more with answers like "Ok?" on people laughing..Everyone is still laughing at you Goons. Your corp started so well but you are a stagnant rotting corpse of what once was.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-04-05 13:44:49 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing Big smile


Ok?

You goons really need to get out of your alliance chat more with answers like "Ok?" on people laughing..Everyone is still laughing at you Goons. Your corp started so well but you are a stagnant rotting corpse of what once was.


Ok goon stalker guy.
Sir Patrick Moore
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-05 13:58:43 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing Big smile


Ok?

You goons really need to get out of your alliance chat more with answers like "Ok?" on people laughing..Everyone is still laughing at you Goons. Your corp started so well but you are a stagnant rotting corpse of what once was.


Good switch, I think you'll definitely have more luck getting into Jades pants than Isslers what with the space brothel and all that....

Sir Patrick Moore CBE, FRS, FRAS Hon. Vice President of the Royal Astronomical Society
Prince Kobol
#19 - 2012-04-05 14:00:04 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing Big smile


Ok?



Seriously they are laughing pretty hard.

Shame really but there you go.
Frying Doom
#20 - 2012-04-05 14:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Sir Patrick Moore wrote:

Good switch, I think you'll definitely have more luck getting into Jades pants than Isslers what with the space brothel and all that....

Actually my support was based on I had voted for her before, I am a miner and some website classed her as number 20 as to her getting onto the CSM and to see how hard voting is to manipulate in EVE.

I am curious about another thing, the old south park adage that 1/4 people in the United states are idiots, are you from the United states? just wondering as about 1/3 of EvE's voters are from the United States and I know myth busters is a well liked show there tooSmile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
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