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Why I quit the game today
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Spacebar Chelien
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-05 06:26:43 UTC
So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?

I love PvP. Its why I play video games, and its what drew me to this game. Unfortunately, PvP is also expensive, especially for new players. So in order to make enough isk to buy myself some ships to get blown up I picked up trading. Just simple buy low, sell high stuff. I was making pretty decent isk doing it too, and after a couple weeks I had made about 300 million. Today I found a pretty good trade from Dodixie to Jita and decided to buy up 300 million worth of stuffs to haul. Yes, I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? In hindsight, yes. However I had run trades like this dozens of times without running into any problems whatsever.

Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly. When I tabbed back in, I was sitting in my pod. Turns out some guy in a tornado popped me within seconds in high sec. Just like that, I lost weeks of work.

I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.

So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-04-05 06:31:23 UTC
Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#3 - 2012-04-05 06:33:35 UTC
Dodi -> Jita is a pretty well watched route. Best thing to do is to take a detour after Uedama if heading into Jita. If you have an alt, pass off/split up the package too.

Also, don't ship all yer monies in one go.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-05 06:33:59 UTC
I remember flying a myrm into lowsec and dying to a vexor. I nearly quit, glad I didn't.
Vetorept Fera
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-05 06:34:37 UTC
Something sandboxy happened in the sandbox.

In pace requiescat
Spacebar Chelien
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-05 06:36:02 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)

-Liang



I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.
Gantz Tleilax
Divided Unity
#7 - 2012-04-05 06:36:23 UTC
I get ships blown up every night in pvp, the cost is about 500,000 isk, and probably 650,000 isk with fittings. Your smoking crack if you think pvp is expensive.
Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#8 - 2012-04-05 06:38:41 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent.

You were outplayed. He was at his keyboard controlling his ship. You were not.

I fail to understand the cries of the "that's not real PvP!" crowd. Of course it is. It's just potentially non-consensual and has repercussions, and that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here?

Besides, what's the point of killing someone else if you gain nothing from it? What's there to fear in being killed if you just respawn with no penalty? These two simple concepts, conquest and defeat, are what makes EVE's PvP some of the most engaging multiplayer game content I've ever experienced.

Every corner is a blind corner, everyone is out to get you, and you have everything to lose. How can anything WoW or LoL or CoD throws at you compare to that?

You made a gamble, you got burned, and that sucks. As a fellow arbitrage hauler I can sympathize. Now learn from your mistake and evolve into a better player, instead of just quitting when it gets hard.
Gantz Tleilax
Divided Unity
#9 - 2012-04-05 06:38:52 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)

-Liang



I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.


I will gladly give you 10 ships fitted, join Blue Corporation. Google it if you need to know more it's RVB. It's not a fun night if I'm not blown up at least once.
Gantz Tleilax
Divided Unity
#10 - 2012-04-05 06:43:33 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
[quote=Spacebar Chelien]
You made a gamble, you got burned, and that sucks. As a fellow arbitrage hauler I can sympathize. Now learn from your mistake and evolve into a better player, instead of just quitting when it gets hard.



Good point, if your not someone who can learn from their mistakes, then you will continually repeat them.
Spacebar Chelien
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-05 06:45:06 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent.

You were outplayed. He was at his keyboard controlling his ship. You were not.

I fail to understand the cries of the "that's not real PvP!" crowd. Of course it is. It's just potentially non-consensual and has repercussions, and that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here?

Besides, what's the point of killing someone else if you gain nothing from it? What's there to fear in being killed if you just respawn with no penalty? These two simple concepts, conquest and defeat, are what makes EVE's PvP some of the most engaging multiplayer game content I've ever experienced.

Every corner is a blind corner, everyone is out to get you, and you have everything to lose. How can anything WoW or LoL or CoD throws at you compare to that?

You made a gamble, you got burned, and that sucks. As a fellow arbitrage hauler I can sympathize. Now learn from your mistake and evolve into a better player, instead of just quitting when it gets hard.


In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.

I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
#12 - 2012-04-05 06:47:58 UTC
You like pvp, want pvp.

Except when it happens to you when your not consenting to pvp?

This may not be the game for you. Eve is a very unforgiving game, the game can be expensive in time and isk, though not necessarily in isk unless you want to fly in expensive ships. But you certainly have to invest time in eve.

Pvp happens in eve all the time, especially when you are not expecting it and it tends to be fast and brutal and if you are not use to it, it can leave you with a WTF just happened feeling.

Stick around a little longer, learn more about the game, for a 2 month old char you don't need 300 million to pvp if you want a frig fit with T1 mods won't cost much and if you are smart fly with the right guys you can still be useful in pvp. And if another 6 months and with some smarts 300 million will not seem like that much of a lost.

If not, if you are really not that interested in the sort of pvp that is with in Eve, and not everyone is.

Can I have your stuff?
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-05 06:48:47 UTC
Red Frog Freight to move ur stuff no risk. You can pvp in a frig for very little isk. L2P? HTFU?
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sHaKeDoWn..
#14 - 2012-04-05 06:50:29 UTC
QQ
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#15 - 2012-04-05 06:51:32 UTC
Can I have your stuff?
Hroya
#16 - 2012-04-05 06:52:40 UTC
Eve can be a brutal mistress sometimes.
But a good spanking can also help to get the pipe smoking if you decide to get back up and accept that it's all part of the game.

You go your corridor but.
Kehro Urgus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-05 06:52:51 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:

So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.



Seriously, what did you expect? What?

Yeeee! 
Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#18 - 2012-04-05 06:53:33 UTC
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent.

You were outplayed. He was at his keyboard controlling his ship. You were not.

I fail to understand the cries of the "that's not real PvP!" crowd. Of course it is. It's just potentially non-consensual and has repercussions, and that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here?

Besides, what's the point of killing someone else if you gain nothing from it? What's there to fear in being killed if you just respawn with no penalty? These two simple concepts, conquest and defeat, are what makes EVE's PvP some of the most engaging multiplayer game content I've ever experienced.

Every corner is a blind corner, everyone is out to get you, and you have everything to lose. How can anything WoW or LoL or CoD throws at you compare to that?

You made a gamble, you got burned, and that sucks. As a fellow arbitrage hauler I can sympathize. Now learn from your mistake and evolve into a better player, instead of just quitting when it gets hard.


In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.

Well maybe not...but the person who ganked you sure does. Really though, suicide ganks aren't usually done for PvP motives...they're done for financial ones.

Also, name one single PvP-containing game where you can walk away from the controls while you're in a common PvP area and expect nobody to kill you.

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I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?

Gambling is meaningless if you can never lose.
Sarmatiko
#19 - 2012-04-05 06:53:48 UTC
Uedama is in fact the best place to alt-tab and check mail, especially when flying on Iteron filled with zydrine.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#20 - 2012-04-05 06:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Gantz Tleilax wrote:
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)

-Liang



I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.


I will gladly give you 10 ships fitted, join Blue Corporation. Google it if you need to know more it's RVB. It's not a fun night if I'm not blown up at least once.


Got ganked afk? welcome to Eve, it happens to most people eventually. Seriously don't quit, the suicide gankers are a pain in the arse but you learn to avoid and deal with them.

If you do like the PVP take the above suggestion and join RVB, Red Vs Blue is all PVP all of the time and it's all done in relatively cheap disposable ships, frigates, destroyers and cruisers in the main.

If you run short of ISK you can jumpclone out of the combat areas and mission/trade away until you have your nestegg built back up unless they have an external war going on. For cheapie jumpclones without the grind join Estel Arador corporation for 24 hours, look them up in game their corp description contains everything you need to know.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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