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Wow CCP, you are really rolling the dice on the economy
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#21 - 2012-04-05 06:05:39 UTC
Blob, blob, blob, blob, blob, blob, blob and blob some more.

If you look at all the changes, they really hate solo content this year.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#22 - 2012-04-05 06:08:50 UTC
Adapt or die.

No offense Wis.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#23 - 2012-04-05 08:43:48 UTC
Your worried, we got the that. Its sweet of you but all in all change is a good thing that opens up new opportunities.

I say this as a small to medium industrialist on a different toon.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2012-04-05 08:48:00 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
But nobody in their right mind would change so many things in such a complicated system in such short order as you are.

Vince Snetterton wrote:
If a real life economist suggested making all these changes in such a short span in a 400,000 person economy, they would be fired on the spot.

Tell that to Franklin Roosevelt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

Seemed to work out OK. vOv


/win

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Frying Doom
#25 - 2012-04-05 08:50:23 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
You want to make changes for some kind of perception that the economy is broken.

OK, I get that. But nobody in their right mind would change so many things in such a complicated system in such short order as you are. I already posted a thread with the changes that are happening in the next 7 weeks, and now I read about the elimination of meta 0 items from loot drops. Yes, I recognize this merely moves the wealth from the mission runners to the miners and industrialists.

But are you planning on changing SO many things simultaneously, you will be introducing chaos into the economy.
Sure, eventually it will all settle and new equilibriums reached.

But at what cost? How many subscribers are going to throw their arms in the air with frustration and pack it in?
You might get them all back, maybe. I would suggest why risk it?

Slow down the process. Change things slowly, iteratively. Not all at once.
If a real life economist suggested making all these changes in such a short span in a 400,000 person economy, they would be fired on the spot. No one knows, especially you CCP, about where this is all going to lead. And many of us don't like change and uncertainty. No real life economy does, and Eve's economy is complex enough to emulate one.

They do have an economist on staff but I suppose that doesn't mean he didn't just say "Just let them HTFU and deal with it"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2012-04-05 08:58:39 UTC
Started training my mining skills again, knew they would come in handy at some pointBig smile
Vain Eldritch
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2012-04-05 09:00:37 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Personally I like the fact that they're shaking things up a little.

It's about bloody time, tbh.

Androgynous Caldari Cross-dresser
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-04-05 09:04:54 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
You want to make changes for some kind of perception that the economy is broken.

OK, I get that. But nobody in their right mind would change so many things in such a complicated system in such short order as you are. I already posted a thread with the changes that are happening in the next 7 weeks, and now I read about the elimination of meta 0 items from loot drops. Yes, I recognize this merely moves the wealth from the mission runners to the miners and industrialists.

But are you planning on changing SO many things simultaneously, you will be introducing chaos into the economy.
Sure, eventually it will all settle and new equilibriums reached.

But at what cost? How many subscribers are going to throw their arms in the air with frustration and pack it in?
You might get them all back, maybe. I would suggest why risk it?

Slow down the process. Change things slowly, iteratively. Not all at once.
If a real life economist suggested making all these changes in such a short span in a 400,000 person economy, they would be fired on the spot. No one knows, especially you CCP, about where this is all going to lead. And many of us don't like change and uncertainty. No real life economy does, and Eve's economy is complex enough to emulate one.



Economic Chaos is good in a game.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#29 - 2012-04-05 09:09:22 UTC
Who would have thought that the (grand name) Military Inferno Patch would be the best industry patch ever. Twisted

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2012-04-05 09:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vince Snetterton wrote:
But at what cost?
None. Well, I suppose we'll have to give away a whole lot of boredom, same-old-same-old, tradition, doing-what-we-did-yesterday, and similar coinage, but that's not really a cost, now is it? Blink

This kind of shake-up can only ever have positive consequences in a system that has grown as static as EVE has. Now shush and prepare to make humongous piles of cash!

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Who would have thought that the (grand name) Military Inferno Patch would be the best industry patch ever. Twisted
War is always good for industry (especially in a system where the broken-window fallacy isn't a fallacy). Twisted
Savage Creampuff
Vivid Entertainment Group
#31 - 2012-04-05 10:00:36 UTC
out of the crucible and into the inferno. life is looking good
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#32 - 2012-04-05 10:01:59 UTC
Savage Creampuff wrote:
out of the crucible and into the inferno. life is looking good



and profitable. I pillaged some Jita markets for some easy profits later. Pirate

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InstinctE17
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-04-05 10:03:23 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
You want to make changes for some kind of perception that the economy is broken.

OK, I get that. But nobody in their right mind would change so many things in such a complicated system in such short order as you are. I already posted a thread with the changes that are happening in the next 7 weeks, and now I read about the elimination of meta 0 items from loot drops. Yes, I recognize this merely moves the wealth from the mission runners to the miners and industrialists.

But are you planning on changing SO many things simultaneously, you will be introducing chaos into the economy.
Sure, eventually it will all settle and new equilibriums reached.

But at what cost? How many subscribers are going to throw their arms in the air with frustration and pack it in?
You might get them all back, maybe. I would suggest why risk it?

Slow down the process. Change things slowly, iteratively. Not all at once.
If a real life economist suggested making all these changes in such a short span in a 400,000 person economy, they would be fired on the spot. No one knows, especially you CCP, about where this is all going to lead. And many of us don't like change and uncertainty. No real life economy does, and Eve's economy is complex enough to emulate one.




you really have no idea what your talking about do you?
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#34 - 2012-04-05 10:12:09 UTC
Actually what they're doing is very simple. They're decreasing mineral supply, that's basically it. The incursion nerf will be balanced out with new isk income from the revamped drone regions.

Prices will rise, more people will take up mining because it's more profitable, and a new equilibrium will be reached.

Implementing something like PI and redoing the NPC goods is a much bigger undertaking than what's happening in Inferno.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2012-04-05 10:39:17 UTC
Savage Creampuff wrote:
out of the crucible and into the inferno. life is looking good

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2012-04-05 10:43:31 UTC
CCP is on definitely the roll <3

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JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-04-05 10:45:14 UTC
urbino wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Personally I like the fact that they're shaking things up a little.


this


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Space Wanderer
#38 - 2012-04-05 10:51:19 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
I fit up a crappy blackbird .


Another blackbird.... Are they now free with cereals or something?



Sorry, couldn't resist. Big smile
Serene Repose
#39 - 2012-04-05 10:56:11 UTC
People are always fitting crappy ships with crummy mods and soloing level IVs for fun. Ever notice that? FACT!

The economy was adjusted after a visit from a phd in economics less than a year ago. FACT!

IRL if companies are in cahoots fixing prices they go to jail. FACT! (almost)

As long as there is no control over the amount of currency in circulation inflation will be with us forever. FACT!

My kitchen needs painting. FACT!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#40 - 2012-04-05 11:04:46 UTC
IT WILL BE A GOOD YEAR FOR INTERNET SPACESHIPS MARK MY WORDS!