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Wow CCP, you are really rolling the dice on the economy
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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#241 - 2012-04-08 23:59:49 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ok I will admit I am a little confused. It seems to me that they are changing loot drops to not drop meta 0 stuff anymore. Shouldn't that mean mission runners will have a greater chance for good meta 1-4 items as as a result?

I mean when I have run missions I pretty much reprocessed meta 0-2 stuff without thinking twice. And most meta 3 items did better being reprocessed as well.

So maybe I will get more meta 1 loot, which will just be reprocessed anyhow. How is this wildly different?


Its not, people just like to whine.
Danfen Fenix
#242 - 2012-04-09 00:00:49 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ok I will admit I am a little confused. It seems to me that they are changing loot drops to not drop meta 0 stuff anymore. Shouldn't that mean mission runners will have a greater chance for good meta 1-4 items as as a result?

I mean when I have run missions I pretty much reprocessed meta 0-2 stuff without thinking twice. And most meta 3 items did better being reprocessed as well.

So maybe I will get more meta 1 loot, which will just be reprocessed anyhow. How is this wildly different?



Meta 0 mods provide the highest amount of reproccessed minerals, and an increase in the amount of Meta 1+ mods will decrease the value of those as well P

So essentially a less isk to be earned
Zircon Dasher
#243 - 2012-04-09 00:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Zircon Dasher
Ranger 1 wrote:
Many mission runners don't collect their loot as it is... yet despite this a huge volume of minerals comes from this source.

Removing T1 loot drastically reduces the mineral supply, even if meta level mods (which refine for less minerals) replace them on a 1 to 1 ration. Hopefully this will not be done on a 1 to 1 ration, else there would not be a significant boost to T1 module production.


Source?
Also you realize that most T1 module production never hits the markets as those modules right?

Quote:
Manufacturing is far from impossible for new players, in fact that was how I (and many others) got started. The only thing that made it difficult was the lack of demand due to, wait for it, T1 module drops from rats and missions.


lol. If anything, over the past 5 years, usage of T1 modules has increased while NPC supply has been significantly reduced.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Caldari State
#244 - 2012-04-09 01:02:50 UTC
Was wondering why so many people were stockpiling/buying cheap T0 fittings.

I'm such a dunce.

Thanks to those who posted a link to the Escalation features!
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#245 - 2012-04-09 01:52:48 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:

Source?
Also you realize that most T1 module production never hits the markets as those modules right?

lol. If anything, over the past 5 years, usage of T1 modules has increased while NPC supply has been significantly reduced.


not to troll but Ill hold you to your own example.

Source?

Id like to see the graphs for it. Im a budding indy

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
ugh zug
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#246 - 2012-04-09 02:39:20 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=PNcDI_uBGUo

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Caldari State
#247 - 2012-04-09 03:51:32 UTC
ugh zug wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=PNcDI_uBGUo


Sir! The radar sir! It appears to be...jammed!
Zircon Dasher
#248 - 2012-04-09 04:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zircon Dasher
Richard Hammond II wrote:
not to troll but Ill hold you to your own example.

Source?

Id like to see the graphs for it. Im a budding indy


Since you are a budding indy you really need to start doing your own analytics. Never trust "public" versions 100%:

First read http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/226951/page/3
Then read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=822
And also read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235 while considering std. fitting paradigms that might require meta 0 modules.
For a longer trend you can also read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Quarterly_Economic_Newsletter

Now go forth and spreadsheet to your hearts content.

EDITs: Parsing errors are fun

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#249 - 2012-04-09 05:33:08 UTC
PvPers moaning about inflation, industry, drops and mission running.

My god Jim.. CCPs done it.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#250 - 2012-04-09 10:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Jon Taggart wrote:
Was wondering why so many people were stockpiling/buying cheap T0 fittings.

I'm such a dunce.

Thanks to those who posted a link to the Escalation features!


Past week those with good refining skills are geniuses to buy T1 ships now & recycle them after the 24th for profits!!!!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#251 - 2012-04-09 11:53:45 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:

Slow down the process. Change things slowly, iteratively. Not all at once.

In the last year Tier 2 Battlecruisers have gone from 26 million to 47 million, Battleships are up to at Tier 1, 45mil > 85mil, Tier 2, 75mil > 135mil and Tier 3, 110 > 210mil.

Across the board prices are still rising and while that is fine for power players that leaves casuals and people without 3 accounts playing a much more difficult game of second job online then was previously coined for EVE.

I think it is about time they fixed the economy now before people who don't have 6 hours a day to grind up and leave because all the awesome new Ships CCP is releasing have to be flown with kids gloves because there goes halve your bank if you risk it.



Malcanis law, always Malcanis law. This is THE biggest problem of Eve and will ever be.

Now CCP can shake it up to the right, to the left up and down, Malcanis law will always prevail. Now if this is a decision to openly limit the number of people playing the game because they have far too much clients, fair enough.
The idea around mining is excellent, it's how it's thrown live soon that worries me, but well, not for long. Blink
Hemmo Paskiainen
#252 - 2012-04-09 12:12:54 UTC
what economy, there is no economy. there is only a appearance of a economie where ccp still controls the base stats and this making you think there is a economie. its like the usa. if something is bad they simply stealth nerf it. or as in usa make things dissapear

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Hemmo Paskiainen
#253 - 2012-04-09 12:14:32 UTC
ps: why arguing over expensive 200 mil bs' just run some incursions for 1,5 hours and you got it back...

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Adunh Slavy
#254 - 2012-04-09 12:35:51 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
what economy, there is no economy. there is only a appearance of a economie where ccp still controls the base stats and this making you think there is a economie. its like the usa. if something is bad they simply stealth nerf it. or as in usa make things dissapear



Please send me all of your ISK since it is apparently of no value.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#255 - 2012-04-09 12:41:40 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
ps: why arguing over expensive 200 mil bs' just run some incursions for 1,5 hours and you got it back...



Yes explain us all how you play incursions for 1.5h and get 200M, I'm sure all players around would like to read you.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#256 - 2012-04-09 12:52:46 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
not to troll but Ill hold you to your own example.

Source?

Id like to see the graphs for it. Im a budding indy


Since you are a budding indy you really need to start doing your own analytics. Never trust "public" versions 100%:

First read http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/226951/page/3
Then read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=822
And also read http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235 while considering std. fitting paradigms that might require meta 0 modules.
For a longer trend you can also read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Quarterly_Economic_Newsletter

Now go forth and spreadsheet to your hearts content.

EDITs: Parsing errors are fun



Europeen Central Bank accepted a 250 billion euros loan to Italian banks to help them face the current economical crisis.
-yes because it's important to help those bankers that made your 21st century life hell on earth, right?

For the meanwhile:

American official financials announced last Friday holding 3 important financial Boss salary now for the second year because those benefit from government help to face world economic crisis, but those haven't reimbursed yet that financial help while making billions of profits.

AS you can see there are far more interesting things going around in the world, like for instance, note that whatever the country is bankers act the exact same way. Gillotine time Lol
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#257 - 2012-04-09 13:08:01 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Confirming that the next several months are going to be awesome.


God yes.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#258 - 2012-04-09 14:20:09 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Many mission runners don't collect their loot as it is... yet despite this a huge volume of minerals comes from this source.

Removing T1 loot drastically reduces the mineral supply, even if meta level mods (which refine for less minerals) replace them on a 1 to 1 ration. Hopefully this will not be done on a 1 to 1 ration, else there would not be a significant boost to T1 module production.


Source?
Also you realize that most T1 module production never hits the markets as those modules right?

Quote:
Manufacturing is far from impossible for new players, in fact that was how I (and many others) got started. The only thing that made it difficult was the lack of demand due to, wait for it, T1 module drops from rats and missions.


lol. If anything, over the past 5 years, usage of T1 modules has increased while NPC supply has been significantly reduced.


How do you think the cottage industry of collecting other peoples loot got started? Smile

I do invention and am well aware many T1 modules are used for that purpose, this is a good thing. On a related note, you do realize you can use higher Meta level modules in invention as well right?

I will agree that more T1 modules are used now than previously (and will point out that when I started out in industry it was considerably longer ago than 5 years), and that NPC supply has been decreased. This was a good trend that I am quite happy to see taken to its logical conclusion (eliminating meta 0 drops entirely).

What was your point again?

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#259 - 2012-04-12 03:46:56 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Confirming that the next several months are going to be awesome.


God yes.


So Amzi from what you've heard so far... will features be working as intended QuestionRollUgh Gotta luv the announced HQ & Assault changes, huh What?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'