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Steel Wraith
#121 - 2012-04-05 16:44:19 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Lt Angus wrote:
Plex is great for noobs who dont want to grind their first bil and great for vets to play for free. Why anyone with more than 5mill SP would sell plex escapes me.



Many people play the game to enjoy it...not to work at it....
I see many people playing on plex only, but their focus in game is to earn isk for that next plex.....so they can continue playing/working? Oops





If someone enjoys the process of earning the isk they may not mind dropping some of it on a plex for game time. I don't know about grinding missions but I at least find exploration enjoyable. Hell, I even like designing/managing efficient PI colonies and could probably afford to pay for my account based on that.

But you have a point that, especially as a new player with lower isk-earning potential, you should make sure that you're enjoying your time in game and not just grinding it out. Just remember that paying your subscription with cash is effectively the same as buying a plex every month and selling for isk.
Zircon Dasher
#122 - 2012-04-05 16:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zircon Dasher
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
What does a player do with the Plex one they have purchased it with isk?


If they are smart they relist it at a higher price



That's not my issue at that point, I have already made my money. Besides that margin is what, maybe a mil at most?

What else would a player do with a Plex once they have purchased it with isk.


Oh I'm sorry. I did not realize this was a srs thread.

Carry on.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#123 - 2012-04-05 16:47:32 UTC
I doubt it ever really started as one.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Steel Wraith
#124 - 2012-04-05 16:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Steel Wraith
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Mugged Yougot wrote:
I have not bothered reading all your posts,


Well there's you first mistake. As you've just witnessed, it's not entirely wise to respond to someone's statements when you haven't even read them and obviously have not taken the time to try understanding them. Now I wonder: in your case, is this the result of stupidity or just laziness?



When someone announces that they've won an argument on the internet and then starts typing about unzipping their pants, it's probably not worth the time to read whatever else they'd said, much less continue arguing with them.

Edit: At least not in a serious way.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#125 - 2012-04-05 16:51:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
Steel Wraith wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Mugged Yougot wrote:
I have not bothered reading all your posts,


Well there's you first mistake. As you've just witnessed, it's not entirely wise to respond to someone's statements when you haven't even read them and obviously have not taken the time to try understanding them. Now I wonder: in your case, is this the result of stupidity or just laziness?



When someone announces that they've won an argument on the internet and then starts typing about unzipping their pants, it's probably not worth the time to read whatever else they'd said, much less continue arguing with them.


Using recent events to justify actions in the more distant past is a little screwy. And by "screwy" I mean "a stupid person's excuse".

EDIT: Really CCP, we can't say ******...?
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#126 - 2012-04-05 16:52:56 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Steel Wraith wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Mugged Yougot wrote:
I have not bothered reading all your posts,


Well there's you first mistake. As you've just witnessed, it's not entirely wise to respond to someone's statements when you haven't even read them and obviously have not taken the time to try understanding them. Now I wonder: in your case, is this the result of stupidity or just laziness?



When someone announces that they've won an argument on the internet and then starts typing about unzipping their pants, it's probably not worth the time to read whatever else they'd said, much less continue arguing with them.


Using present events to justify past actions is a little screwy. And by "screwy" I mean "a ******** person's excuse".


Actually you were saying things like that to Ranger1 yesterday as well.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#127 - 2012-04-05 16:55:26 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Steel Wraith wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Mugged Yougot wrote:
I have not bothered reading all your posts,


Well there's you first mistake. As you've just witnessed, it's not entirely wise to respond to someone's statements when you haven't even read them and obviously have not taken the time to try understanding them. Now I wonder: in your case, is this the result of stupidity or just laziness?



When someone announces that they've won an argument on the internet and then starts typing about unzipping their pants, it's probably not worth the time to read whatever else they'd said, much less continue arguing with them.


Using present events to justify past actions is a little screwy. And by "screwy" I mean "a ******** person's excuse".


Actually you were saying things like that to Ranger1 yesterday as well.


Well he couldn't have known that since he didn't read my posts. ;)

Do you want to be my boytoy, too? Cool
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#128 - 2012-04-05 16:55:41 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
Ban PLEX. All pay-to-win must go!

Bad idea, even though some like myself pay with credit card, it would lock alot of people out of the game, especially those with more than 2 accounts. Plex also drives our economy as well, it may have drastic consequences if removed as a result.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#129 - 2012-04-05 16:59:25 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Steel Wraith wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:


Well there's you first mistake. As you've just witnessed, it's not entirely wise to respond to someone's statements when you haven't even read them and obviously have not taken the time to try understanding them. Now I wonder: in your case, is this the result of stupidity or just laziness?



When someone announces that they've won an argument on the internet and then starts typing about unzipping their pants, it's probably not worth the time to read whatever else they'd said, much less continue arguing with them.


Using present events to justify past actions is a little screwy. And by "screwy" I mean "a ******** person's excuse".


Actually you were saying things like that to Ranger1 yesterday as well.


Well he couldn't have known that since he didn't read my posts. ;)

Do you want to be my boytoy, too? Cool



Sure, tell me your main's name and I'll come on over for a little wine and some sweet sweet lovin.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#130 - 2012-04-05 17:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#131 - 2012-04-05 17:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
broken link




You ****** something up.

Don't tell me you're nothing more than pillowtalk and overcompensation now.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-04-05 17:06:02 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
*desperate attempts at mudslinging*


Awww are you going to start smashing your toys against the floor now, too? Sad
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#133 - 2012-04-05 17:06:04 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
You made me mad! I'm gonna beat you up now! Evil



It's past your bedtime, your just getting cranky

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-04-05 17:09:57 UTC
The people making fools of themselves shouldn't be mad at me, they should be mad at themselves. Cool
Zircon Dasher
#135 - 2012-04-05 17:12:17 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Ban PLEX. All pay-to-win must go!

Bad idea, even though some like myself pay with credit card, it would lock alot of people out of the game, especially those with more than 2 accounts. Plex also drives our economy as well, it may have drastic consequences if removed as a result.


There are a lot of people who would not need more than 2 accounts if there was no such thing as plex. Sometimes 4 accounts will pay for themselves + give side money, where 2 accounts will not.

Additionally, less alt armies are not necessarily a bad thing for EVE or the economy.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#136 - 2012-04-05 17:15:48 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Ban PLEX. All pay-to-win must go!

Bad idea, even though some like myself pay with credit card, it would lock alot of people out of the game, especially those with more than 2 accounts. Plex also drives our economy as well, it may have drastic consequences if removed as a result.


There are a lot of people who would not need more than 2 accounts if there was no such thing as plex. Sometimes 4 accounts will pay for themselves + give side money, where 2 accounts will not.

Additionally, less alt armies are not necessarily a bad thing for EVE or the economy.


This is a very strong point. Most of the players I know who created 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts did so in order to chase that monthly PLEX. And if you read that blog with the mined quotes from the banned botters, many of them say things like "waa with my 4 bot accounts banned I'll never be able to afford my PLEX waaa waaa."
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-04-05 18:18:02 UTC
Acknowledging that PLEX is a form of pay to win is far different than saying it should be removed from the game.

Currently, being a legal form of RMT that pays CCP instead of a sh*thead, it's a decent tool to fight illegal RMT.

However, it is still far from perfect. It's still a vehicle that bridges the real life world economy with the in game economy in a very direct way - which is ultimately a bad thing. But, at least the market decide's it's value rather than some ISK farmer with a bot army.
Prince Kobol
#138 - 2012-04-05 18:19:09 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
PLEX gives you access to "game time". ROFL. You don't trade it in for a time machine, you trade it in for isk.

By that logic, if I went and bought drugs its okay, because I'm buying the time it would take to go to Morocco where they're legal and get stoned off my ass and come back.


Trading PLEX for isk is an option, that is all.

You can be scammed out of it or lose it by getting your ship blown up.

The only guaranteed action that PLEX gives is adding 30 days account time.

Also you have the worst logic in the world lol
GondriA
A Totally Anal Conceited Organization
#139 - 2012-04-05 18:21:25 UTC
Nub Sauce wrote:
Acknowledging that PLEX is a form of pay to win is far different than saying it should be removed from the game.

Currently, being a legal form of RMT that pays CCP instead of a sh*thead, it's a decent tool to fight illegal RMT.

However, it is still far from perfect. It's still a vehicle that bridges the real life world economy with the in game economy in a very direct way - which is ultimately a bad thing. But, at least the market decide's it's value rather than some ISK farmer with a bot army.


why plex is a form of pay to win?
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-04-05 18:28:53 UTC
Alright, another more posts than I care to read, but points I see.

Pay for plex =/= pay to win

It does not actually give a substantial advantage over another player. The ships they can buy with that isk is not any more powerful than that which can be played to earn. They just can replace losses easier. The dollar cost of high end faction/caps etc is quite high and out of reach of a majority of players. It won't break game balance.

For combat where actual losses will make a difference is sov battle. However sov control is about numbers. If two 200 man fleets square off, lose 50 per side, and only one side spends to buy real ships, that does get an advantage. In terms of a hellcat fleet, 50 abaddons will mean 50 plex. That is alot of dollars. Most likely, that sort of player mix will never happen.

If an alliance was made up of pay to win players, they would probably be outnumbered so the pay to win would not give an advantage. Ergo in my opinion, plex does not cause an unfair advantage. It just means that those of us who don't buy and sell isk have to play a bit more careful and make sure our corp/alliance has ship replacement. I fly pvp to alliance specs, no extra cost on my part.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.