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Is this an exploit or not?

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Spy 21
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-04-04 12:54:13 UTC
I can totally see why this a bannable offense.

Otherwise, anyone could come into any cosmos plex out there, put out their drones with permarep and earn x isk per hour indefinitely... completely tying up that plex for everyone else and virtually removing it from the game.

Ya,,, let's not push to make that legal.

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...

Prince Kobol
#22 - 2012-04-04 12:58:48 UTC
Spy 21 wrote:
I can totally see why this a bannable offense.

Otherwise, anyone could come into any cosmos plex out there, put out their drones with permarep and earn x isk per hour indefinitely... completely tying up that plex for everyone else and virtually removing it from the game.

Ya,,, let's not push to make that legal.

S



Erm.. not sure you noticed but it has been confirmed as not an exploit
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#23 - 2012-04-04 13:06:08 UTC
I don't do it, but I'm glad to hear that it's not an exploit.

If anything it's just one more reason on the ever growing list of why npc AI's need to be buffed all-round.

And although I have no evidence, I'd still like to quote, from the Original complaint, the following:

Quote:
My brother and a friend were banned a few days ago. The explanatory mail accused them of "Macroing".

They weren't macroing.

How many of you believe them...? I know I don't... I don't have any evidence, but I bet CCP do.

How often do we hear? :

Quote:
My brother and a friend were banned a few days ago. The explanatory mail accused them of "Botting".

They weren't botting.

Spy 21
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-04-04 13:11:21 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Spy 21 wrote:
I can totally see why this a bannable offense.

Otherwise, anyone could come into any cosmos plex out there, put out their drones with permarep and earn x isk per hour indefinitely... completely tying up that plex for everyone else and virtually removing it from the game.

Ya,,, let's not push to make that legal.

S



Erm.. not sure you noticed but it has been confirmed as not an exploit


Ya I saw the GM response after posting.
Always wise to post in a thread without actually reading it.
My apologies for being an idiot.

***

I still don't want peeps doing this. I suppose you could bump the ship out repair range if someone were truly doing this and hogging all the NPCs in a certain area...

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...

Prince Kobol
#25 - 2012-04-04 13:12:57 UTC
Spy 21 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Spy 21 wrote:
I can totally see why this a bannable offense.

Otherwise, anyone could come into any cosmos plex out there, put out their drones with permarep and earn x isk per hour indefinitely... completely tying up that plex for everyone else and virtually removing it from the game.

Ya,,, let's not push to make that legal.

S



Erm.. not sure you noticed but it has been confirmed as not an exploit


Ya I saw the GM response after posting.
Always wise to post in a thread without actually reading it.
My apologies for being an idiot.

***

I still don't want peeps doing this. I suppose you could bump the ship out repair range if someone were truly doing this and hogging all the NPCs in a certain area...

S


hehe. I do that but yeah totally agree, even if it isn't an exploit it does go to show that the AI does needs some serious upgrading
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-04-04 13:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
I am really not sure how this could be considered an exploit as well. If you aren't using a macro or any other 3rd party program to make it happen and it is part of the games mechanics, which repping drones is, then how could it be a bannable offense?

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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#27 - 2012-04-04 13:28:48 UTC
Just because one GM said its not an exploit doesn't actually affect how another GM would rule on the situation.
GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#28 - 2012-04-04 13:41:36 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Just because one GM said its not an exploit doesn't actually affect how another GM would rule on the situation.


This is incorrect. All GMs operate under the same rules and policies.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-04-04 13:49:14 UTC
Have any of you seen how poorly the cosmos sites pay out these days?

there's still money in hacking the containers but just sitting there killing the rats?

No dice
Prince Kobol
#30 - 2012-04-04 14:00:35 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Have any of you seen how poorly the cosmos sites pay out these days?

there's still money in hacking the containers but just sitting there killing the rats?

No dice


Yeah but if you doing this afk for say 14 hrs per day, pretty sure that would add up to a nice tidy sum.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#31 - 2012-04-04 14:10:19 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:


So the other guy who claimed he got banned for doing this... lied ?




Nonsense I say! I thought it was quite evident that every member of the forum is an upright citizen of high moral ground. I will hear no more of this heresy!

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#32 - 2012-04-04 14:31:29 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Just because one GM said its not an exploit doesn't actually affect how another GM would rule on the situation.


This is incorrect. All GMs operate under the same rules and policies.


Sure they all follow the same rules, but you can (and will) get wildly different results depending on who answers your petition.

To pick a public example, the webbing freighters to stop them from warping or cancelling warp was petitioned, and was ruled legitimate at some point prior to being ruled an exploit.
Momoyo
Rivinshield Trading Inc.
#33 - 2012-04-04 14:49:34 UTC
Don't people do a similar thing with tengus and FOF missiles?
Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
#34 - 2012-04-04 15:05:57 UTC
T1 frig + ECM?

Yeah you get concorded, but if he's afk he'll lose his drones.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#35 - 2012-04-04 15:13:35 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Just because one GM said its not an exploit doesn't actually affect how another GM would rule on the situation.


This is incorrect. All GMs operate under the same rules and policies.


Sure they all follow the same rules, but you can (and will) get wildly different results depending on who answers your petition.

To pick a public example, the webbing freighters to stop them from warping or cancelling warp was petitioned, and was ruled legitimate at some point prior to being ruled an exploit.


Patient got to it before I could. I could name numerous other examples, mostly involving massive amounts of bubbles and cans. Sometimes they "cause lag" other times it's a "illegitimate mechanic". Personally I understand that sometimes GM's have to make judgement calls, and one persons call may differ from another's, but it does frustrate the player base sometimes.

In any case, I think I'll save GM Harmonoia's quote and attach it to all my future petitions :P
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-04-04 17:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
DoublePost due to waiting too long for a response from the server.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-04-04 17:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Patient 2428190 wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Just because one GM said its not an exploit doesn't actually affect how another GM would rule on the situation.


This is incorrect. All GMs operate under the same rules and policies.


Sure they all follow the same rules, but you can (and will) get wildly different results depending on who answers your petition.

To pick a public example, the webbing freighters to stop them from warping or cancelling warp was petitioned, and was ruled legitimate at some point prior to being ruled an exploit.


Same thing for a guy i petitioned a year ago, maybe two.
He kept warping in and out, trying to smartbomb a rifter.
He was ... in a thrasher.

I thought it was hilarious, but i petitioned him for "avoiding CONCORD" anyway ...
... and the GM said it's all good, this guy keeps losing ships over and over.

Same thing for the boomerang "exploit", really.

GMs may all make decisions abiding the same rules, but the decisions can be different (!), nonetheless.
Nobody can tell me that every GM will always come to the same decisions,
simply because they are human beings and their logic may differ !

Also, L0ck, i don't believe that this guy was lying, simply because there was no reason to
and the whole thread didn't work out like the typical troll-thread.


So ... although GM Harmonia said this is not an exploit,
there's no reason to believe that a different GM won't rule otherwise,
simply because of that thread i've fallen over some day.

I have no issues with GMs, but there's quite some room for improvement !

The way it works now, it just can't be right...


Edit: btw, the thrasher failed. It still was hilarious to watch, though ! :D
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-04-04 17:09:23 UTC
Unless they sit in a belt all day long it shouldn't be.

-Vix

SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-04-04 17:20:49 UTC
Stellar Vix wrote:
Unless they sit in a belt all day long it shouldn't be.

-Vix


Ah yes, the actual issue.

It makes no sense to say it's not an exploit when a single guy keeps
shooting everything, WHILE HE'S ACTUALLY NOT AT THE COMPUTER,
and there's nothing that can be done about it. Talking about highsec, of course.

Just makes no sense. At all.
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
#40 - 2012-04-04 17:24:37 UTC
in some of the cosmos constellations, there are complexes that are fixed in space.

In one particular complex, each room has only 2 npcs that spawn in it. a battleship and a cruiser. These respawn pretty quickly.

You can see dominixes in most rooms of that particular plex, for most of any given day.

They may be farming isk, or farming sec status for those battleship npcs, and can keep it up all day if needed. The key to enter the plex doesn't get used up on activation either.

doesn't actually interfere with people using that particular complex for the relevant cosmos containers though.

Just the facts.

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