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[canceled] 25b for 4 weeks (4% guaranteed)

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StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#1 - 2012-04-04 08:34:55 UTC  |  Edited by: StoneCold
Hello Folks,

I´m bad at forums so i looked up some other threads with the same content and use it to explain my matter (also my native tongue isn’t English, so please go easy on me).


Introduction:

I´m piloting internet spaceships in eve since 2003 (with a break here and there). I´ve tried a lot of stuff (mining, producing, small scale pvp, bubble-wars, shooting pos-structures and so on). Recently with my 2-man-corp I tried to earn my isk while being a disturbing “war-force”. As I failed miserable on it I decided to try something new. Trading. I already did the market-101 and run a “traineeship” on my own which went rather well. (Sometimes being a lazy server admin is good ;)). Also having access to a group of programmers (work-mates) helps aswell (this is also a test for the market-addon they wrote for me using api (haven’t found one in the net)).


Business plan:

Looking to raise 25b ISK for short term trading (high price items with high payoff; yes, I´m aware of the margin scam).


Risks:

No collateral involved. I´m old, but I´m probably the poorest 2003 player ingame (compared to liquid ISK – I´ve got less then 8b). I have quite SOME assets (ships and modules everywhere (including 2 thanatos)). If I totally fail (which I shouldn’t) I do the :effort: to sell ships to repay the investors.

I´m not a multi-account guy. I had once a 2nd account where I trained a miner which got sold (to lazy to look the thread up, it´s quite some time ago). I just recently got a “power-of-2“-account so I can train and use a toon for cynos (else my carriers would just be useless).


Bond:

- minimum of 500m each
- guaranteed 4% interest
- (as stated in the title I m looking for an extra 25b to invest while I put myself 5b on the top… and just payout myself with interest-%).
- first-come-first-serve


Expansions:

not planed really. Careing about 25b is preassure enough.


Running time:

1 Months (4 Weeks). Starting at Friday 13.04.2012 after downtime.


Repayment:

As the bond is just running 4 weeks I m not to keen (read: trying to dodge additional-:effort:) to repaying at general before the deadline hits. Ofc I will look into it (if an investor raises the need) if it´s possible or not (will do it if can either repay with my own isk. Repaying before the end might reduce the overall interest-payout).


Reporting:

I´ll do a quick report every week (so that’s, 20.04., 27.04. and 04.05.) about the “what would be the interest payout if the market-war would end by today”-sum.
I reserve the right to do a detailed report after the payout is done on 11.05.2012.


Starting date:

Aimed is Friday, 06.04. after DT (it´s holiday season (well, at least eastern) here… so I can get a hot start). If not enough investors are joining I reserve the right to postpone it for a week.


Investor list:









General rights-reservations:

I reserve the right to stop trading at any given time (which will result in instantly paying out the investors (invested ISK + (at least)) guaranteed interest (case this might happen: the aggro drawing from my wife is to big, because she also went mad as i told her that i "might" get "phoned" on my cellphone from the server... she was like o_O :P)

I reserve the right to alter the “first-come-first-serve”-queue for friends.

I reserve the right to exclude known drama-queens from entering.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#2 - 2012-04-04 08:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: StoneCold
Please DON'T send isk yet

I don´t want to do all the refunding while the aimed BOND-Target isn´t hit.






Reserved for updates and reports.
Diraus Omega
Speculum Ambitus
#3 - 2012-04-04 09:15:54 UTC
cant see this getting filled 25 bil first offering and no collateral, on a char whos only really forum posting history is to buy GTC.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#4 - 2012-04-04 09:24:44 UTC
You´re probably right. If i can´t get the ISK to do this 4 weeks of trading, so be it.

Didn´t know that you have to forum post a lot (i´m a read-only-guy who only posts if something needs to be said (like buying Gametimecards or this [Bond]). We always had corp-intern-forums.

You can look up my corp history. Then pick a guy from the corp that was also a member at the same time and ask if i f***ed something / someone up.

I maybe was pewpewing a lot... someone might say for the "wrong side". But that´s just a point of view.
Diraus Omega
Speculum Ambitus
#5 - 2012-04-04 11:14:00 UTC
its not about posting on the forums a lot its about being known to the MD community which you arent.

you've said yourself your net worth is only 8 billion after playing for 9 years . yet your asking people to trust you with 3 times your net worth. its not about if you scam its if you have the knowledge and abilty to handle a loan of this size and not lose it all.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#6 - 2012-04-04 12:58:59 UTC
My net worth is 8b in liquid ISK. my 2 thanatos (including fittings / drones) are together around 4,5b. Then i´ve got 4 Sleipnirs, 6 Zealots. Just to mention 3 Shiptypes. And i have a LOT more ships. It was just always easier to just buy new hardware instead of moving the old (and just keep it in place if I return)

The "problem" with it is, leaving the :effort: aside, selling assets to gain liquid ISK would be a money sink (especially as i probably will need them one day). Some (even most) of it is quite old. So aquiring it was a LOT cheaper than today.
Let´s say i sell a Sleip i bought for 180m i might get around 220m (firesale). Now I´m buying me a new Sleip... I think u get my point

I allready stated that I would take that work of dumping off my assets if i crash the bond... which wont happen

Calculated worst-case-scenario is losing 1/5 of the bond. Which is 5b. I can cover this with selling 1 Thanatos + liquid isk

I´m a lazy bum (guess that´s a job-description for admins :P). It all comes hand in hand with dedication

The next 4 weeks I´d put all effort (and knowledge) into makeing more money out of the bond. The more the merrier. The overall plan is to run this bond successfully. After that running another bond of equal size aswell successfully. That´s enough of testing for the market-programm my work-mate setup. Then I want to offer copies of that fine piece of software for ISK (it even makes my cellphone ringing when the market needs my attention. Don´t ask my how he does it (yet)). Ofc he gets paied in the only accepted currency in this office: Ribeye-Steaks (allready got one... will get more if the Software gets a lot of users).

As i don´t plan to stop playing or giving Stone away for ISK (my baby since 2003 - now with dreadlocks!) I´m very eager to succeed at BEST possible result

With my "real-trading"-traineeship (for ISK) i made 8% in 2 weeks... while i only spent roughly 100m. The Alpha-test with using just numbers (no real ISK were hurt) would have granted 6% on 50b.


to the "getting known to the MD community"

I read quite a couple threads in the market-subforum. Low(er) Bonds / loan questions always had those "haha, you building up rep. arent you?" in it. So i decided just to aim for the big money. do it - or don´t. And I´m pretty sure some of those nice folks might recognize me from ingame activities

I´m open for any suggestions what i can do in my position to get a chance.
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-05 00:25:47 UTC
"I´m a lazy bum

The next 4 weeks I´d put all effort"

I see no problem with this plan.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#8 - 2012-04-05 06:40:12 UTC
Holy "some-people-can-talk-everything-into-the-ground"-bantam!

Seriously, you´re full of bad vibrations and dark mojo.

I´m a lazy bum, yes. Working as Admin = a job for lazy bums
Working as constructor = real hard work

Doing a gadzillion of jumps to sale assets = real hard work
Comparing numbers, do calculations (while done mostly by software anyway) = "slugfest" for lazy bums (:hint: you call this sort of work trading)

But hey, I´ve got one more:

Running missions for ISK = real hard work (i know what i m talking about)
Suicide ganking while watching tv (or do whatever) = lazy bums heaven.


Guess i just found my way to fund my trading startup-isk.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#9 - 2012-04-06 09:04:17 UTC
As i didn´t get a single ISK offered i postpone it for 1 week.

Hope´s dying last, heh?
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#10 - 2012-04-16 06:39:01 UTC
canceled due to none is interrested at all.