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Solo Pvp with larger ships

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Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-02 17:47:41 UTC
Whats everyone's opinion on solo PvP with battlecruisers or battleships? So far I've been told ill lose it and that it will just cause people to bring out their big guns.

I don't really care about losing a high value piece of simulated hardware. Im looking for fun and some serious engagements.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!

roigon
TURN LEFT
#2 - 2012-04-02 17:56:01 UTC
Personally I'm still in the AF/dessie stage of things. But in a few months I'm more then certainly be taking out BC's. Battleships are probably also quite viable, but personally that's a bit outside of my budget to just lose casually.

As for the BC's. I'll probably start out in an armor harby because of my laser skills, but will be training medium weapons to move to flying either drake or myrm. Probably myrm.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#3 - 2012-04-02 18:20:48 UTC
The Kil2 Geddon is actually still quite fun for solo, although no prop means that it is very committal, I take a locus and metastasis II in the rigs to give it a bit more flexibility with targets.

The dual rep domi is a lot more survivable, although on the flip side less engageable for hostiles, especially if you are flying 2011 solo (with T2 boosts)

MAR + Pate harbinger is another solid option for solo.

There is also a lot you can do with a megathron, and you can be fairly creative on fits.

Ferox / cyclone are also great shield alternatives and often underrated and as tier 1 BCs are rarely encountered people don't always know their capabilities as they do with a harb / canes etc..



Don't fly a silly-tank hyperion / maelstrom as you will either not get fights or get ganked with very little inbetween. Do bring exile. Do learn how to heat well. Don't always expect to get good fights.
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-02 18:46:24 UTC
Im thinking about fielding a Rokh shield tanked (1 XL booster, 2 lg extenders) with neutron blasters, a nuet and a vamp with AB and some turret damage increasing low (cant remember the hybrid version of the heatsink). My skills are still not topped out with hybrid weapons so im holding off until i get all the damage increasing skills like surgical strike and rapid fire at lv4 or more. Also going for large hybrid weapon specialization but that's about 20 days away.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#5 - 2012-04-02 19:06:25 UTC
I'm not sure how a solo rokh will fare. The blaster rokh is a beast these days, but the hull still has a lot of drawbacks for solo work.

Still if you aren't afraid to lose it, try it out and report back.

Also...take a web.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-04-02 19:08:09 UTC
Maximus Hashur wrote:
Im thinking about fielding a Rokh shield tanked (1 XL booster, 2 lg extenders) with neutron blasters, a nuet and a vamp with AB and some turret damage increasing low (cant remember the hybrid version of the heatsink). My skills are still not topped out with hybrid weapons so im holding off until i get all the damage increasing skills like surgical strike and rapid fire at lv4 or more. Also going for large hybrid weapon specialization but that's about 20 days away.


A single frigate or AF will kill you. Any big ship needs to have a way to handle little ones, or it's just a matter of time before a hotshot frigate pilot will teach you the meaning of "tracking" and "signature radius". This coming from a hotshot frigate pilot who almost solo'd a Loki in a Malediction. I wouldn't solo in big ships simply because a solo target can be disabled and disadvantaged in so many ways when up against multiple targets -- which is all too often the case.

If you insist, though, my recommendations for solo bigship PvP:

  • Hurricane - very versatile, works with both shield and armor fits, and has the neuts or webs to handle frigates, plus it has drones.
  • Drake - as much as I hate it, the Drake is good for solo stuff. A bit light on damage, but very heavy tank.
  • Harbinger - fit it with two 1600mm plates, FMPs and dual webs for extra hilarity. Warning: it's very slow.
  • Dual/Triple rep Myrmidon - if you only plan to take on 1-2 targets at once, this is the perfect choice.
  • Shield/Nano Talos - Stupid amounts of damage, but light on tank.
  • Neut-Dominix - big tank, sort of poor DPS, but it shuts down any enemy ship opposing it.
  • Neut-Typhoon - same as above, but somewhat better DPS, and somewhat more vulnerable against small ships.


Of course, you can try some of the other BCs or BSs (Cyclone and Ferox can both be great, Brutix is similar to Talos), but the ones above are particularly popular.

Oh, and make sure to tell me where you are so I can throw 4-5 Rifters at you and see how you fare Pirate

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#7 - 2012-04-02 19:13:03 UTC
Nano drake is a blast for solo workSmile

nom nom

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#8 - 2012-04-02 19:48:36 UTC
Hyperions with two large armor repairers are very good for solo station horseshit.
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-04-02 20:40:19 UTC
and heres the noob in me showing up.

what do you mean by nano? and what does "FMP" mean relating to the Harbinger fit above.

Yea i think ill take out some cheaper **** for a while until i learn more. Losing 200M just for fun isn't easy to swallow. Replacing it will be a ***** unless i plex it, but to me that seems cheap and diminishes my sense of accomplishment.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#10 - 2012-04-02 20:41:06 UTC
Focused Medium Pulse
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#11 - 2012-04-02 20:54:48 UTC
Maximus Hashur wrote:
and heres the noob in me showing up.

what do you mean by nano? and what does "FMP" mean relating to the Harbinger fit above.

Yea i think ill take out some cheaper **** for a while until i learn more. Losing 200M just for fun isn't easy to swallow. Replacing it will be a ***** unless i plex it, but to me that seems cheap and diminishes my sense of accomplishment.

FMP = Focused Medium Pulse Lasers, a type of medium sized pulse lasers.
Nano = fitting philosophy for ships where you put multiple Nanofiber Internal Structure IIs in the low slots in order to make ships unnaturally fast and agile.

While none of the ships I (or anyone else) listed would result in 200 mil losses, a T2-fit BC does run about 50-60 mil. I recommend learning how pew pew works in T1-fitted frigates, none of which run over 2 mil. That way, you can lose them with impunity, and learn something new every time you do.

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axxeessee
Trade and Supplies Co.
#12 - 2012-04-02 21:15:45 UTC
To the actual question, yes, it is possible to solo in BCs and BSs, it is very different from soloing in frigates and, as for any thing, the more you do it the better you will get at it. The only issue with starting with BCs and BSs is obviously that, compared to solo in frigs, it gets expensive fast.

As far as how to start, personnally I would watch some PVP videos first (see My Eve sectionon the forums), because half the comments in this thread are highly misinformed.

As for the rohk, you never mix active tank (x-l booster) with buffer (extender), and you should always fill all you turret slots, which means you wont have room for a neut and a nos.

The Rokh is a very viable solo battleship, but you really should find a couple fittings for it first and watch some people flying it. Also note that it shines mostly when mixed with siege links and crystals.

If I were you I would probably start with cruisers/BCs first and then move on to BSs.

eveiseasy.com is also another good place to find stuff to learn the basics.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#13 - 2012-04-02 23:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Oh, and make sure to tell me where you are so I can throw 4-5 Rifters at you and see how you fare Pirate


I believe that we may indeed have a mutually beneficial arrangement to make.

If you tell me where those 4-5 rifters are, I'll show up solo in a drake!

As for the OP, I highly recommend the double web nano hml drake (look at my lossmails on BC for the exact fit). It's got virtually no weaknesses. It can kite and shoot from range, if small ships get close (unlike a turret bc where they would be under your tracking) you can double web them and dispatch them very quickly. The webs also assist for stopping faster ships (like canes) from getting into scram range.
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-03 00:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Hashur
-While none of the ships I (or anyone else) listed would result in 200 mil losses-

I mention the 200M loss because i took a drake and put the most expensive items i could find on there thinking it would make a difference. A gate camp in Fensi changed that idea. Check my losses (i have no wins yet) and youll see i have been messing around with some expensive hardware without knowing what im doing. I started in Nov but stopped playing after the first two weeks. Took it back up a month ago so now im really getting into it.


Chatgris - thanks ill check it out.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-03 00:49:48 UTC
Canes and Drakes are both excellent solo ships.

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Joyelle
SludgeSlingers
#16 - 2012-04-03 02:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Joyelle
If you don't mind going all out then you'll want to invest in boats like the Hyperion and Maelstrom. Smaller versions of these ships are also viable (cyclone and myrmidon). Learning how to fly said ships is the fun part and iirc there are a **** ton of videos floating around on Youtube showing how to fly these ships to fine effect. Sisi is also a good place to get the hang of things and develop your skills.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-03 05:42:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
I was going to post that the nano drake is flown by 2 of the best solo pilots I know of, but they both beat me to the thread. :)

I hate the ship personally, but I have watched these folks here and some PODLA guys just absolutely decimate with that drake. They won't like me saying it, but it needs a good old fashioned nerfing. Until then, enjoy.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#18 - 2012-04-03 11:38:06 UTC
Hrett wrote:
I was going to post that the nano drake is flown by 2 of the best solo pilots I know of, but they both beat me to the thread. :)

I hate the ship personally, but I have watched these folks here and some PODLA guys just absolutely decimate with that drake. They won't like me saying it, but it needs a good old fashioned nerfing. Until then, enjoy.


No, it doesn't.

L2Range.

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Perihelion Olenard
#19 - 2012-04-03 14:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Hyperions with two large armor repairers are very good for solo station horseshit.

Unfortunately, even with it's defensive bonus, dual repairers do worse on the hyperion than on the megathron or dominix simply because it doesn't have that seventh low slot. You would need a triple repair setup on the hyperion in order to pass those other two ships in tank. Even then one tier 3 BC could break it. The hyperion in it's current form does not justify it's price, IMO.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#20 - 2012-04-03 16:24:30 UTC
Hrett wrote:
I was going to post that the nano drake is flown by 2 of the best solo pilots I know of, but they both beat me to the thread. :)

I hate the ship personally, but I have watched these folks here and some PODLA guys just absolutely decimate with that drake. They won't like me saying it, but it needs a good old fashioned nerfing. Until then, enjoy.


I'm actually greatly looking forward to its nerfing. I'd really like to be able to fly another battlecruiser without looking at it and saying "meh, the drake can fill this role better".
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