Skill Discussions

I remember the days of having to pause a skill that had 5 hours left because you were going to sleep and putting on a diffrent one that would last at least 12+ hours...

Thought they were adding skill training to EVE Gate at the same time as they added the Queue, but no need, queue does its job fine!

It would be nice to update the queue from Eve Gate.

I think you needed to play before we had the queue

If you weren't online to switch it as it finished, you lost it. This current system is so very, very friendly. (I've not had to set my alarm for 3am in a very, very long time.)

It's also the reason why I quit EVE shortly after launch and went to SWG, which in retrospect was a mistake of biblical, nay Cecil B. Demille proportions: I just couldn't face the beeping and the evil glowing goblin eyes of the alarm clock o' doom.

<3 EVE now though...

Looking at the skillqueue, I think it's long enough to be comfortable with. But with it's metagame going on heavily while you're logged out, EVE is different from most other games.

Now where is that thin line that has to be drawn between what should be done ingame and what could possibly be done over the internet using a browser and a CCP website or a third party app?

While I consider upgrading a clone or learning a skill by using a skill book clearly to be ingame activities that would have to be performed while being logged into the game, I would be fine with a skill queue managed using a browser or a third party app.

CCP could just allow players to que entire certificates. Core competency elite and such. Sure its a long skill que with multiple skills far exceeding normal ques. But it makes everyone happy and who cares if people leave. If you don't care to log on and play after you have the SP so be it. Why would making people play keep them here? EVE Online isn't nicotine laced heroine. The only good side I find to having a month long que is when I get bored of the game and need a break. This is usually when major titles launch and I don't have the time to get on. Like when Diablo 3 launches. My friends will be wanting to do so much demon slaying. I will be surprised if I log an hour the first month. That doesn't mean i don't want the SP I pay for.

When CCP dictated their leveling system, they dictated the standard of service paying per month provides. Sure it keeps the servers running and GM's talking. But when ever I pay for an MMO i expect a game experience greater than anything free to play. And quite frankly EVE provides that solely with the skill point system. In all honesty I don't see the point in racial weapons and ship lines. Why should there be 25 years of Skill points trainable? No one will ever achieve this. They are better off reducing the total sp requirements to say 8 years max to do anything perfect and allow people to focus more on alts. Being arse poor at keeping your game entertaining or balanced isn't the players fault.

Which comes to my last point. Eventually everyone has to cross train. Variety is a great thing to have. But forcing people to choose like they have leaves us with a never ending flavor of the month system. Just like winmatar and the recent gallente buff. If everyone could fly every ship of every race and weapon system. People would simply choose not to fly what was horrible. And CCP would actually have to properly balance the game.

Just my 2 cents.

I find it funny that people complain about the limitations of the skill queue implemented by our CCP Overlords, when in fact they should be kissing their feet and thanking them that there's any skill queue at all. It is, after all, a fairly recent addition to the game and one that I personally wish had never seen the light of day.

In the four or so years that this character has been around I've missed out on about three hours total of training. It's really not that difficult to manage your skills. If you have a skill finishing at a time when you can't log in to set a new skill training, log in AHEAD of time, switch your training to another skill, and swap back to the original when you WILL be able to log in and start another skill when it finishes.

Decisions have consequences. Your decision that you can't be bothered to log in to manage your skill training has the consequence that your skill training may cease.

It is ignorant or rather border line Stockholm syndrome esc to cave to the idea that you are being gifted with a blessing, simply for the fact that they fixed a flawed feature. There is no reason why anyone should get a **** poor option or service to manage their time they pay for.

For example... If you went to a restaurant and the service was horrible. But it had been that way for a long time. Do you thank them when they choose to make it better, for idk business reasons? No you don't! You stop eating at a filthy dump with no atmosphere and even worse food. The training que is a necessity for anyone who has a life. I don't mean oh I take lavish trips to the Bahamas every other weekend either. I mean the full time workers, the travelers, the grave shifters, and the manual laborers.

Further more, I beta test quite frequently. When said game is launched I don't go about the forums like an arse, talking about how hard and different it was in the past. I move forward and am thankful for the changes. And you know what else. I look to provide input to make it better. But obviously there are still people who believe all issues are apparent or otherwise "working as intended".

Sometimes being able to log-in and play the game just isn't an option.
There was a considerable amount of time during the year where I am unable to log-in to the game, simply because Work and Real-Life take presidence... if this isn't the case for you then fair enough, but for many people it is.

There are two things about EVE that have pissed me off for years.
• Lost Skill Points because of inactive Training Queues.
• Only being able to Train 1 Character on an Account at a Time.

Maybe you're different and have some form of OCD to constantly check you're training something, but I've found that the more time it takes to train skills; the less I actually bother checking to see when they'll be completed. Problem here is while sure, when I log-in after it is done something will pop-up saying "Skill Training Complete" ... the time between when it completed and when I logged in, is just lost SP

I think the OP solution is a fantastic one, as it will still be much quicker to train something within your queue; but those lost hours or sometimes days depending on circumstances in real-life would mean that you will be able to simply allocate these at a later date when you can log-in.

Also just don't understand the reason behind not being able to train more than 1 character on your account at a time.
If you use the excuse "Oh well people just wouldn't get additional accounts" only works when talking about things such-as Neutral Industrial Hauling alts... as you can only log-in with one character on a single account, the number of people will alts; which most I've seen have been for multiple miners, alt-boosting / RR or spying while playing your main - changing that won't stop them having multiple accounts.

Simply seems ******** why they give us 3 character slots to begin with, then basically tell us unless we purchase additional accounts we can only really have 1 useful at a time without the other characters suffering.

Saying "Oh these systems could be abused"... well how exactly could they be abused that you can't do already without logging in once a day?



I've been around long before the Skill Queue; as well as one character that saw the number of changes the skill system had from the original implimentation, which I guarentee that anyone who dealt with it is glad they brought about the passive skill training.

Change is good, regardless of if you believe it is or not.
I can tell you that there are multiple instances working in the industry I am in (which ironically is Video Games) where being able to get home can be difficult for extended periods... there is also a simple case that when you work 18 hours in a day at a computer, the last damn thing you want to do when you get in is use a computer simply to log-in and update a character.

Could I do it from work? Probably, but it would be a ****** reason to get fired over now wouldn't it? Can also tell you than most breaks we have, generally speaking you're still often working ... or eating lunch discussing what to do afterwards.

I'm damn sure I'm not the only person who feels like that as well. If you have a normal 9-5, with little in the way of responsibilities around the house to remember to log-in to maintain a VIDEO GAME CHARACTER; then more power to you, but that isn't the case for everyone.

humans are greedy animals that want the easiest things even more easy