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Good beginner ship for PVE

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Haruki Yanumano
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-01 20:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Haruki Yanumano
Hi, I couldn't post in the relevant section, so I'll try here and see if I can get any help. I am a new player, and so far I have only been mining and I have an Osprey for that. My race is Caldari.

I am looking for a ship and setup that will work well in solo-PVE. It has to be somewhat inexpensive (10-20 million in total), and the modules not requiring a whole bunch of levelling (ie. the entire skillset being obtainable in less than a week, starting from scratch).

I have been looking at a Moa, and I found a recommended cheap sniper-setup on BattleClinic, that I have been considering trying to obtain the skillset for. I just don't know if it will work in solo PVE, which is why I write here.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-04-01 20:31:45 UTC
Quote:
Hi, I couldn't post in the relevant section, so I'll try here and see if I can get any help. I am a new player, and so far I have only been mining and I have an Osprey for that. My race is Caldari.


That's probably a good thing. This whole section is designed for newbie questions that may seem obvious to more experienced players.


Anyway, the type of ship you want depends strongly on what skillset you want to have and what type of PVE you're doing (There's a lot more than just missions). Caldari has two distinct ship lines - missileboats (Kestrel, Caracal, Drake, Raven, etc.) and hybrid gunboats (Merlin, Cormorant, Moa, Ferox, Rokh). Things like level 2 missions and 3/10 exploration complexes will be best done in a t1 cruiser, so your good options would be the Moa and Caracal. Which of those two would be best depends on your skillset and whether you have trained/would rather train for hybrid turrets or missiles.

Strictly speaking the caracal is probably a bit easier to use for a beginner, but it's not like the moa will have too many problems either.



When looking up fits on battleclinic, note the purpose. I'm guessing that the sniper fit you looked up was for PVP. PVP and PVE fits are usually rather different.
Haruki Yanumano
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-01 20:40:03 UTC
Thanks for the swift help. I tried searching for PVE setups, but most had quite a few "dislikes".

My long-term plan is getting a rokh and running incursions, while having a secondary mining outfit for it and skip mining barges entirely. But that is way into the future, though.

I would like to use hybrid turrets and drones (the Rokh-setup I want to get when I get rich uses gauss guns and vespa drones), and I want to shield-tank. Any tips to what modules and weapons I should get/train for would be awesome.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-04-01 20:48:47 UTC
Haruki Yanumano wrote:
Thanks for the swift help. I tried searching for PVE setups, but most had quite a few "dislikes".

My long-term plan is getting a rokh and running incursions, while having a secondary mining outfit for it and skip mining barges entirely. But that is way into the future, though.

I would like to use hybrid turrets and drones (the Rokh-setup I want to get when I get rich uses gauss guns and vespa drones), and I want to shield-tank. Any tips to what modules and weapons I should get/train for would be awesome.


Well it's relatively self-explanatory. You want shield tanking skills and hybrid weapon skills...and you'll want drone skills as you move into the higher ship classes too.

As a general rule, when you view the info page of a ship, there will be a "recommended certifications" tab. This is basically just a list of skills you should probably have to fly the ship properly. They aren't always relevant in all circumstances (the Moa recommends the active shield tanking certification, but in PvP they are usually buffer tanked), but will generally point you in the right direction.
Haruki Yanumano
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-01 21:12:44 UTC
Alright, thanks. I'll have a look at the certificates. Any tips to what (fairly inexpensive) specific gear I should be getting for my Moa? I would like to be able to level to it within a week, starting from scratch.
gfldex
#6 - 2012-04-01 21:22:41 UTC
There are about 50 Moas sold per day in Jita. There are about 200 Caracals sold per day in Jita.

You wont get an reply for your request because you intend to doing something silly.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Haruki Yanumano
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-01 21:28:37 UTC
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gfldex
#8 - 2012-04-01 21:55:02 UTC
There is no reason why one would want to shoot NPCs with a Moa. The Rokh is pretty much at the end of the list as well. Mining in a Rokh can be done but it drives you crazy. You whole plan is quite sound if you want to be inefficient at any single step.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Haruki Yanumano
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-01 21:57:49 UTC
Alright, I just saw a Rokh with a 855m3/min setup and thought that was good, and it is mentioned in several guides.

What do you propose I should do?

Thanks.
gfldex
#10 - 2012-04-01 22:04:59 UTC
Haruki Yanumano wrote:
What do you propose I should do?


Mining is a way to gain minerals. Shooting NPCs is a way to generate money (it's quite close to Chinese Tea Money).

Neither has a meaning in itself (you can't die by starving nor do you need to save up for your pension). So what you should do depends on what your goals are. If you don't state those, nobody can give you a meaningful answer.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Haruki Yanumano
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-01 22:07:58 UTC
Alright, I should probably clarify - I am a total noob. I want to make lotsa money, naturally, and I want to do incursions/shoot npc's (and then later PVP when I get the hang of things). Can I make lots of money by shooting NPC's?
gfldex
#12 - 2012-04-01 22:27:23 UTC
Haruki Yanumano wrote:
Can I make lots of money by shooting NPC's?


You can make decent money (or it would be pointless to have NPCs that hand over ISK after exploding). Lots of money will most likely be out of your reach. Rich is relative after all. We can't be all rich.

Haruki Yanumano wrote:
and then later PVP when I get the hang of things


You either want to PvP or you want "later" both at the same time doesn't work well. Further PvP is something that can happen to you as soon as you undock, no matter if you look for it or not. If you make yourself a target somebody will come sooner then later to shoot you. Knowing how to hunt folk helps a lot when you need to get away. There will be war in summer.

Incursions are about to get nerfed and require quite a few SP to be of any use. When you got the skills to take part the change (that was not revealed in detail yet) will have happend.

For shooting NPCs Caracal->Drake->Raven|Tengu|Golem works well if you don't understand how turrets work. If you do, well, as it seams nobody is whining about the Paladin, so it's probably overpowered. That would mean Maller->Harbinger->Apoc->Paladin.

All of that should have been told to you by your corp mates. Or did you not join any proper corp yet?

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Kairos Eunoia
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#13 - 2012-04-01 23:47:45 UTC
As a caldari player it is currently recommended to go the missile way.

There is no way you can know it, but mining in a battleship is currently one of the least efficient ways to get rich in this game.
It is hard enough in a specialised mining vehicle. We are talking future income, not compared to your osprey.

Also training for both mining and fighting on the same account in the beginning will only make you frustrated as you will be rather inefficient at doing both.

You have to choose whether you want to start out becoming a miner or a fighter.

Let me recommend the fighting way...

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#14 - 2012-04-02 00:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Haruki Yanumano wrote:
Alright, thanks. I'll have a look at the certificates. Any tips to what (fairly inexpensive) specific gear I should be getting for my Moa? I would like to be able to level to it within a week, starting from scratch.


Generally you'll probably want railguns in the highs, an afterburner and a basic shield tank (shield booster + resist mods based on the type of rats you're fighting), maybe with a damage control and magnetic field stabilizers in the lows. I can't come up with a specific fit at the moment as I'm short on time but it's not too complicated

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There is no reason why one would want to shoot NPCs with a Moa. The Rokh is pretty much at the end of the list as well. Mining in a Rokh can be done but it drives you crazy. You whole plan is quite sound if you want to be inefficient at any single step


Caldari hybrid ships have never been that bad, and that was before the hybrid buff.
Haruki Yanumano
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-02 01:03:34 UTC
Alright, thanks for all the help. I played the game for like 3 hours, so yeah I know nothing basicly. I'll reconsider, I think, and dump the mining thing, get a caracal and shoot missiles at a bunch of NPC's.

What I would like to be able to do is make enough dough to buy PLEX and play for "free" - I heard it can be done after a couple of months.

I'm in a corp, but I am still - after having played for 2 days - still learning the ropes. I appreciate all the help.
Xerces Ynx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-04-02 13:32:28 UTC
gfldex wrote:
For shooting NPCs Caracal->Drake->Raven|Tengu|Golem works well if you don't understand how turrets work. If you do, well, as it seams nobody is whining about the Paladin, so it's probably overpowered. That would mean Maller->Harbinger->Apoc->Paladin.

I don't see Rokh here. I'm not sure what it means. Is it good for PvP only or is it a junk that nobody uses?

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Kairos Eunoia
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#17 - 2012-04-02 14:11:38 UTC
Neither. I believe the Rokh is used as a cheap incursion fit. I have also heard it been used in pvp fleet fights.

But generally hybrid guns have been regarded as underpowered compared to other weapon systems and have seen little use when other weapon system were available.With a recent buff to hybrids last expansion and rumors of more to come this may change.

Missiles however have the advantage of being very new player friendly as you do not have to take into account such things as fall-off and angular velocity.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-02 14:25:46 UTC
Rokh is used in large fleets mostly, though I've seen them in Incusrions as well.

Caldari PvE though is easierst following the missile path Caracal, Drake (Raven/Tengu) Scorpion Navy Isue Caldari Navy Raven/ Golem.

Xerces Ynx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-04-02 14:44:15 UTC
That's great then. I was planning to fly BlastaRokh in shield fleets, when battleships are needed. I was worried that my choice was wrong... (too much?)

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Kairos Eunoia
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#20 - 2012-04-02 18:57:39 UTC
Xerces Ynx wrote:
That's great then. I was planning to fly BlastaRokh in shield fleets, when battleships are needed. I was worried that my choice was wrong... (too much?)


As a relatively new player myself I do not have great experience of fleet battles. But in general Blasters seem no to be prioritized in larger engangements of fleets.

They most often see use in ganks and roams in Hi and Lo afaik.

If you want to do fleet battles the best thing you can do is to find a corporation which actually takes part in such endeavors and ask them for advice what they need in their fleet.
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