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Current Nocxium prices SKYROCKETING!

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Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#21 - 2012-04-01 16:25:15 UTC
Yes its definitly not worth it for the people that bought 5-20bisk of the stuff at 500isk per unit and will be able to sell it for 800-1.3k per unit.....

I mean thats only like what? Double the profit.. hardly worth it at all!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2012-04-01 16:27:49 UTC
Riley Moore wrote:
Hardly worth the time just for nocx
For just Nocx, no, but combined with the current trit prices, it certainly becomes interesting. You should be able to squeeze out ~200 ISK/m³ at current Jita prices. That's still 1.6M for a full (non-expanded) Hulk, and you can fill those up a fair amount of times in an hour…

gfldex wrote:
It would if all shiptypes would be used equal and if CCP would not have introduced capital ships and mods.
Like I said, general — the actual demand is a bit different, and that's what gives us the fun part in figuring out the elasticity in pricing between different minerals.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#23 - 2012-04-01 16:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
gfldex wrote:
corestwo wrote:
Nocxium is sourced from lowsec and 0.0 ores only.


They removed Pyroxeres from highsec? What strange days to witness.

I'm no miner, so I had overlooked Pyroxeres.

At 1200/unit its about 19m/hr, 24m/hr at 1700/unit, given the same setup I made my other estimates with. Highly lucrative to a highsec miner, and the safety of it means it may depress my top end somewhat, but the fact that it generates so little nocx should minimize its impact. Beyond that, the asteroids themselves are pretty small and so the supply gets cleared out in short order.

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fofofo
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-04-01 16:46:23 UTC
The prices are still so low that even the scrubbiest pilot can make more on L4 Missions, and probably even L3 missions.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#25 - 2012-04-01 17:10:23 UTC
Voith wrote:
The prices are still so low that even the scrubbiest pilot can make more on L4 Missions, and probably even L3 missions.

There is this, yes.

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fofofo
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#26 - 2012-04-01 17:16:31 UTC
So what I'm getting out of this is that I should spike the **** out of my prices on T1 mods containing mass Nocx.

Got it.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#27 - 2012-04-01 17:18:33 UTC
Oh man all my nocx stuff already sold... aww darn. Guess I'll buy me a couple of extra snake sets tonight!

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Azriel Geist
Pure Victory
#28 - 2012-04-01 17:21:37 UTC
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#29 - 2012-04-01 17:29:20 UTC
Solhild wrote:
or you could mine the stuff! Lol


Pyrox went from being the darling of the hi-sec ores at around 175-180 ISK/m3 and is now 195 ISK/m3 (as Nocx went from 535 to 766).

http://eve.grismar.net/ore/

Assuming:

Trit 5.50 Pye 6.50 Mex 55.00 Iso 95 Nocx 850 Zyd 1800 Mega 4200 Morph 9600

Then you get ore ISK/m3 values of:

Veld 165 Scor 146 Pyrox 210 Plag 161 Omb 106 Kern 170
Jasp 266 Hemo 288 Hed 283 Gneiss 175
DarkO 273 Spod 148
Croc 370 Bist 415 Ark 531
Mercx 509

Looking at that from the supply side, it makes Pyrox too valuable in comparison to the other hi-sec ores, which will mean that within 2-4 weeks miners will flock to Pyrox space and mine less of the other hi-sec ores. Which should depress Nocx prices back down below 850 (probably 700 long-term). Or the other ores will get more expensive as fewer people mine them.

But there's still another shoe left to hit the floor, and that is the removal of drone poo on Apr 24. Something like 30-50% of all Nocx comes from reprocessing, not mining. So there's another price shock coming in about a month.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#30 - 2012-04-01 17:32:39 UTC
Amarr GOD is not amused... nobody's reading his book because its now out of circulation! Hmmmm wonder what'd happed if the bible or Koran went out of circulatio... my guess: less wars
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2012-04-01 17:36:43 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Hmmmm wonder what'd happed if the bible or Koran went out of circulatio... my guess: less wars
More samizdat and even more wars because some nutcase got a version where pages 8, 16 and 252 were scanned backwards… P
gfldex
#32 - 2012-04-01 17:41:31 UTC
With a cargo capacity of 27,500 m³ your ship can carry:
Veldspar 275,000 units (825 batches) 4,320,419.25 ISK
Scordite 183,333 units (550 batches) 3,882,758.25 ISK
Pyroxeres 91,666 units (275 batches) 5,301,977.50 ISK
Plagioclase 78,571 units (235 batches) 4,365,661.25 ISK
Omber 45,833 units (91 batches) 2,687,054.44 ISK
Kernite 22,916 units (57 batches) 4,454,397.04 ISK
Jaspet 13,750 units (27 batches) 6,221,660.75 ISK
Hemorphite 9,166 units (18 batches) 6,631,003.92 ISK
Hedbergite 9,166 units (18 batches) 6,595,001.84 ISK
Gneiss 5,500 units (13 batches) 3,851,925.11 ISK
Dark Ochre 3,437 units (8 batches) 5,895,723.75 ISK
Spodumain 1,718 units (6 batches) 2,708,201.25 ISK
Crokite 1,718 units (6 batches) 7,398,625.25 ISK
Bistot 1,718 units (8 batches) 8,428,158.00 ISK
Arkonor 1,718 units (8 batches) 10,499,811.50 ISK
Mercoxit 687 units (2 batches) 8,876,686.00 ISK

All prices Jita highes buy order a few hours ago and +5% ore.

To beat Arkonor, Dark Ochre would require Nocx to go up by ~30%. Luckily belts with Arc tend to have Ochre as well. The sky will still fall ofc and the whining will be ENDLESS. (lolgneiss)

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2012-04-01 17:44:48 UTC
gfldex wrote:
To beat Arkonor, Dark Ochre would require Nocx to go up by ~30%. Luckily belts with Arc tend to have Ochre as well. The sky will still fall ofc and the whining will be ENDLESS. (lolgneiss)
Pff. I've got gneiss under my house. Who needs more of that crap… P
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#34 - 2012-04-01 17:44:59 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Riley Moore wrote:

Gogo 1200 isk nocxium


This is not actually unreasonable.

Nocxium is sourced from lowsec and 0.0 ores only. The two 0.0 ores - ochre and crokite - are traditionally the least valuable and so are ignored in favor of Arkonor and Bistot, and the lowsec ores are just plain ignored because the risk:reward isn't there. Even at 900/unit nocxium, they're barely worth more than highsec ores, and worth far less than missions or incursions.

If, on the other hand, you kick the price up to 1200/unit, those lowsec ores are up in the 30m/hr range - 30m for hedbergite, 31 for hemorphite, 27 for jaspet. 1500/unit is better still - hedbergite is worth about 35m/hr, hemorphite 38m/hr, and jaspet 33m/hr. Additionally, Crokite exceeds Arkonor and Bistot at this point, meaning it gets mined first in 0.0.

At a whopping 1700/unit, the lowsec nocx ores are equivalent to 0.0 ores - 39m for hedbergite, 42m for hemorphite, 40m for Jaspet.


So, dare I say it - sky's the limit, and Lowsec ho?


Since when is Pyroxeres low-sec?

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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#35 - 2012-04-01 17:46:49 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
corestwo wrote:
Riley Moore wrote:

Gogo 1200 isk nocxium


This is not actually unreasonable.

Nocxium is sourced from lowsec and 0.0 ores only. The two 0.0 ores - ochre and crokite - are traditionally the least valuable and so are ignored in favor of Arkonor and Bistot, and the lowsec ores are just plain ignored because the risk:reward isn't there. Even at 900/unit nocxium, they're barely worth more than highsec ores, and worth far less than missions or incursions.

If, on the other hand, you kick the price up to 1200/unit, those lowsec ores are up in the 30m/hr range - 30m for hedbergite, 31 for hemorphite, 27 for jaspet. 1500/unit is better still - hedbergite is worth about 35m/hr, hemorphite 38m/hr, and jaspet 33m/hr. Additionally, Crokite exceeds Arkonor and Bistot at this point, meaning it gets mined first in 0.0.

At a whopping 1700/unit, the lowsec nocx ores are equivalent to 0.0 ores - 39m for hedbergite, 42m for hemorphite, 40m for Jaspet.


So, dare I say it - sky's the limit, and Lowsec ho?


Since when is Pyroxeres low-sec?


Cores said he forgot about Pyroxers, but I think the consensus is that the total available pyroxers is so small when looking at the total volume of nocxium supply.

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2012-04-01 17:47:10 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Amarr GOD is not amused... nobody's reading his book because its now out of circulation! Hmmmm wonder what'd happed if the bible or Koran went out of circulatio... my guess: less wars



Pax Amarria isn't a religious text but a political one.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#37 - 2012-04-01 17:58:47 UTC
I'm still not convinced CCP isn't pulling some April Fools joke on the community. Lol

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gfldex
#38 - 2012-04-01 17:58:49 UTC
Riley Moore wrote:
Cores said he forgot about Pyroxers, but I think the consensus is that the total available pyroxers is so small when looking at the total volume of nocxium supply.


That may be the consensus but it ain't the problem. Tricky part about Pyro is that the volume of the roids you can typically find in highsec is rather small and as a result you get more missed cycles. There are further less missions with pyro then with plag, omber and scordite. Scourge HM need nocx and so do drakes. If you refine mission loot to build missiles or ships, you are to short on Nocx too. Drake fleets might be come rather unpopular. :)

If drone goo is nerfed we have interesting times ahead.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-04-01 18:02:43 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Wudnt be surprised to see nocxium around 1.3k a unit in the coming days



My stock will just get an honourable bump, yey
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-04-01 18:04:57 UTC
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Tricky part about Pyro is that the volume of the roids you can typically find in highsec is rather small and as a result you get more missed cycles.



Caldari space is invaded by pyroxeres, promising good suicide ganks and T2 salvage. Good.
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