Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The game design is entirely done with PvP in mind, and it's the player competition that gives rise to the “infinite possibilities”. The other two would not exist without PvP. If you want to play the game you just described, go to Sisi. It's all there. You'll notice that it's not nearly as popular as you're expecting it to be.[/quote]
Wrong again.

EVE Online is promising PVP, but reality is very different.

EVE is all about grind, just like any other MMORPG is. However EVE online lacks instant PVP and countinous PVP chances.

The fact that someone is actually doing suicide ganks, instead of fighting with someone that actually shoots back, proves that this game doesn´t have much PVP.

Fleet fights for example.

You warp around, you sit in fleet hoping that you would titan bridge tonight, not tomorrow. When you get into action, someone is calling shots, you shoot, then node crashes and then you go into forums to whine about it.

But what the ads tell us? Epic space ships having massive epic fights, lasers and missiles in space!

PVP in eve is point and click. That´s all. With small ships it´s orbit, point and click.

There is very large group of pilots who play this game just because it´s in SCIFI enviroment, they want to role play the miner, hauler, industrial and so on.

Pointless suicide ganking just doesn´t fit in, at all.

Many would like to have those epic cinematic clashes, but reality is that they are impossible in EVE. Usually you sit still and shoot, or maybe align on something and shoot. That´s it. Epic? Hell no.

PVE content should get a real expansion. New missions, new mining system, COSMOS mission set fix. And also keep adding stuff to exploration content.

Simply it takes too long to get into fight, and fights end too fast.

One major issue is how solar systems work and how warping works. We can´t warp where we want, only in fixed celestials. There is massive empty space between them that we can´t use. They should redesign the whole system and let us move more freely inside solar systems.

…aside from everything in it being PvP, relying on PvP, feeding PvP. So no. I'm right, as always.

Some people try not to PvP (and promptly fail, since you can't avoid it), but that doesn't mean the promised PvP isn't there. Quite the opposite, in fact, and this is a source of endless confusion and anger.

It fits in perfectly since it's what provides an element of risk of loss to those roles, even if they try to hide in the safest of corps in the safest parts of space. If people are playing this game for the wrong reason, then that's their problem, not a design issue with the game. And again: if they absolutely have to have this particular graphical design and user interface (in which case, what the hell is wrong with you), they can always play in Sisi and have all their dreams come true.

Incidentally, industry is probably the second fiercest PvP arena the game has to offer…

You are doing in wrong.

There is grind in EVE. But the grind is not what EVE is about. You are not doing grind to get to the end game, the final goal (level, best equipment, etc), simply because "the goal" does not exist in EVE. You decide what you want to do, and then you grind for it. What is grind for one person (e.g. I hate missions and love low-sec hauling) is not grind for someone else (a lot of mission-runners pay me for to bring them their gear). With persistence and co-operation you can almost get rid of the "grind" parts by sharing stuff with other players who are interested in things you are not, so that people do the stuff they like and let others do the rest.

And that's why EVE is superior.

Go curl up in a corner of hisec and never come back.

Malcanis don't troll, troll.

I think ganking a genuinely new player is considered griefing and a violation of the EULA. You can petition these people.

Okay, so here's your first. I routinely wander through low sec and the unhappy fringes of null while going about my space business. I quite often stumble carelessly into a gate camp to be quickly and effectively dispatched by players who, I am confident, are younger than I am. (I'm older than I look.) Of course, not when I'm being careful, i.e. not when I'm carrying a load of wormhole goodies and in my crane while actually sitting at the keyboard. But quite often, these youngsters are indeed able to send this careless old conquistador to the clone vats.

But it's true, you don't see me posting threads about it because ... who cares. Which is part of the point.


Reminder: tomorrow is not Apr 1st anymore.

…oh, you mean those things that aren't needed for PvP?

Wait, what was your post in response to again?

Oh and: if CCP removed all bots, it would be easier to go to Jita and buy all that stuff.

And miners could afford to replaced their ganked hulks, of which they would lose fewer as a percentage of population because there would be more of them and ...

what were we talking about again?

Oh yeah. Mittens really makes me angry.

I sympatize with the goal of protecting newbies, but as long more experienced players can stay in undeccable NPC corps, I dont really see an alternative. It should NOT be possible to escape non-consensual PVP after a certain (not too long) time in game.

Maybe you could have a time limit in the original school corps to protect the newbies, after which you have to leave, while making the fall-back NPC corps (deep core mining etc) deccable. Dunno if that would open up other cans of worms though.

Another solution for the newbie protection would have to be newbie systems or -constellations which experienced players could not enter and where newbies were granted sanctuary for a limited time.

As it stands now however, this idea will unbalance the game.

Edit: As for the HTFU crowd, I am all for teaching newbies the ropes on how this game works. But it is a question of progression. You dont have to teach them to be suicide ganked on day 2 in the game. After all, EVE is sufficiently different form other games for it to be a real culture shock for many.

Lol, I really should have thought that out before I posted it, so especially for you Tippia

Mittens