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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-04-01 00:50:23 UTC
Angel HUNG wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Angel HUNG wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw?

Blind luck.

But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out.

Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun.



You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.


Incorrect, you can get straight in from k-space. Doesn't have to be a static.



You misunderstood my point. That is exactly what I was saying. You will have to find an INBOUND random WH to a C5. Which are far more rare than the typical K162 you likely used to raid lower class WH's.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-04-01 01:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ajita al Tchar
Cap escalating C5 sites when you only have that carrier is.... mmm... not the best idea, especially with only a couple Tengus to assist. But since you said you want to lose expensive stuff in a dumb way, you should go for it. It certainly fits the bill P
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-04-01 04:06:27 UTC
This is going to end hilariously if you dont have a triage mod and a cap trasnfer on that chimera.
thus, i fully support your venture.

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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-04-01 05:56:05 UTC
Start in a wh system with static cl5 , may be? Use it as base of operations.
Need to make sure the connection to cl5 is big enough to get a carrier through and has enough capasity to provide the back tripSmile.
You'l need to log out the carrier in the base system and keep a scanner alt in it.

There are some wh cl2 systems with static cl5 ( or 6 dont know right now ) and a k-space static ( leading to null sec, if i recall it correctly).
You'l need to do some research.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-04-01 06:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ajita al Tchar
Sola Mercury wrote:
Start in a wh system with static cl5 , may be? Use it as base of operations.

There are some wh cl2 systems with static cl5 ( or 6 dont know right now ) and a k-space static ( leading to null sec, if i recall it correctly).
You'l need to do some research.



There's no way to ever take a carrier to or out of a C2 (or C1, C3, C4). Thus, there will never be a hole in a C2 system that's big enough to fit the carrier. The type of C2's you're thinking of have a E545 (null sec) and a N062 (C5) statics, with the N062 having a 300,000,000 kg limit for max mass per jump. That's an Orca with a prop mod activated.

If you want a system as a base of operations into a C5, it will have to be a C5 with a H296 (C5) static, or a C6 with a V911. I don't suggest taking up residence in a C6, but finding an empty C5 with a H296 is possible, and it's not quite as suicidal as a C6 (no, I'm not talking about Sleepers). H296 is good for 3 cap ship trips, so bringing a carrier in and out is possible if the hole is fresh. That said, again, a single carrier with support from only a couple of T3's in any C5 anom is generally royally screwed, and you won't be able to take a carrier and a dread (plus a few subcaps) through a H296 and then bring them back. It's *possible* to farm C5 anoms with just a single cap ship, though relatively inefficiently. Hell, it's possible to solo some in a subcap even, but you're better off just soloing C3's in a Tengu.
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-01 06:56:00 UTC
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
...good post as usual...

Thanks for the info!
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-04-01 08:02:10 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Angel HUNG wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw?

Blind luck.

But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out.

Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun.



You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.


since when???
discordigant
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-01 09:26:20 UTC
Farang Lo wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Angel HUNG wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
I hate to say it, but that is a terrible idea. You are begging to get ganked. And not even a little. To do that is to paint a massive crosshair on you. Especially if the hole you jump into does not have a static null or low. How are you planning on getting the carrier in btw?

Blind luck.

But no, we've been doing this style of wormholing for a while in smaller ships, and very much know the risks, and feel like a chimera looks pretty cool, and that we should try it out.

Hell, I'd hate to stand outside the gates of CCP when they're closing for the final time, and regret never losing 3b+ in a poorly devised wormholing venture. Sounds fun.



You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.


since when???




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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-01 10:21:07 UTC
yup, most def gonna end in hilarity....
i would recommend joining a WH crop that knows what they are doing.

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Angel HUNG
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-04-01 10:36:41 UTC
discordigant wrote:
Ohh dear god please post these kill mails you will receive soon to entertain me Lol On a side note need anyone to scout for you? Twisted

You really need to read a guide or two before you go down this crazy path. The reason i say this is when your in a raiding party i am assuming you are going to find these holes from HS, if this is the case then you are going through hole that for the most part that have been opened by someone and all chains throughout these open holes have been mapped by people like me hunting any strays we can find. Pirate And you will be damn lucky to find a HS access to a C5 or C6, these will be found deep withing chains and there will be people with scouts on these chains hoping to god to hear the sound of noobs coming through the chains.

I do like your free caring attitude though, but WH's are much safer when you live in them and farm when you have all closed holes or farm in statics when you control the exits and scout the locals out.


Again please let me scout ahead for you........Pirate


EDIT: Spelling gods are against me.

How exactly would I get a carrier into HS?

I'm going through mostly lowsec, but also some quiet nullsec, scouting for holes, and usually trying to find one buried only and exactly 1 hole deep, to minimise the risks of both people finding chains out, and curious people poking their heads in.

That said, C5s aren't exactly as numerous as C3s, so if one's uninhabited, I'll very much so consider it.

Which guide would you recommend I read? Is anyone else crazy enough to attempt this and survive? I'll wager "no". I'm gonna pioneer, then brag about it.

OR. Lose everything. And brag about it.
discordigant
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-04-01 10:54:11 UTC
Angel HUNG wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Ohh dear god please post these kill mails you will receive soon to entertain me Lol On a side note need anyone to scout for you? Twisted

You really need to read a guide or two before you go down this crazy path. The reason i say this is when your in a raiding party i am assuming you are going to find these holes from HS, if this is the case then you are going through hole that for the most part that have been opened by someone and all chains throughout these open holes have been mapped by people like me hunting any strays we can find. Pirate And you will be damn lucky to find a HS access to a C5 or C6, these will be found deep withing chains and there will be people with scouts on these chains hoping to god to hear the sound of noobs coming through the chains.

I do like your free caring attitude though, but WH's are much safer when you live in them and farm when you have all closed holes or farm in statics when you control the exits and scout the locals out.


Again please let me scout ahead for you........Pirate


EDIT: Spelling gods are against me.

How exactly would I get a carrier into HS?

I'm going through mostly lowsec, but also some quiet nullsec, scouting for holes, and usually trying to find one buried only and exactly 1 hole deep, to minimise the risks of both people finding chains out, and curious people poking their heads in.

That said, C5s aren't exactly as numerous as C3s, so if one's uninhabited, I'll very much so consider it.

Which guide would you recommend I read? Is anyone else crazy enough to attempt this and survive? I'll wager "no". I'm gonna pioneer, then brag about it.

OR. Lose everything. And brag about it.



The HS was mentioned in regard to finding a C5 without going from WH's that have this as a static. Not many people are just nuts enough to take bloody great flashing shoot me targets in a small fleet through open chains really. Man its gonna be like xmas if you get people to start.



Ohh please pioneer on, please do so.
Angel HUNG
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-04-01 12:35:53 UTC
discordigant wrote:
Angel HUNG wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Ohh dear god please post these kill mails you will receive soon to entertain me Lol On a side note need anyone to scout for you? Twisted

You really need to read a guide or two before you go down this crazy path. The reason i say this is when your in a raiding party i am assuming you are going to find these holes from HS, if this is the case then you are going through hole that for the most part that have been opened by someone and all chains throughout these open holes have been mapped by people like me hunting any strays we can find. Pirate And you will be damn lucky to find a HS access to a C5 or C6, these will be found deep withing chains and there will be people with scouts on these chains hoping to god to hear the sound of noobs coming through the chains.

I do like your free caring attitude though, but WH's are much safer when you live in them and farm when you have all closed holes or farm in statics when you control the exits and scout the locals out.


Again please let me scout ahead for you........Pirate


EDIT: Spelling gods are against me.

How exactly would I get a carrier into HS?

I'm going through mostly lowsec, but also some quiet nullsec, scouting for holes, and usually trying to find one buried only and exactly 1 hole deep, to minimise the risks of both people finding chains out, and curious people poking their heads in.

That said, C5s aren't exactly as numerous as C3s, so if one's uninhabited, I'll very much so consider it.

Which guide would you recommend I read? Is anyone else crazy enough to attempt this and survive? I'll wager "no". I'm gonna pioneer, then brag about it.

OR. Lose everything. And brag about it.



The HS was mentioned in regard to finding a C5 without going from WH's that have this as a static. Not many people are just nuts enough to take bloody great flashing shoot me targets in a small fleet through open chains really. Man its gonna be like xmas if you get people to start.



Ohh please pioneer on, please do so.

I'm actually quite impervious to your threats, so feel free to desist. This is a help thread, after all.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#33 - 2012-04-01 13:24:04 UTC
Angel HUNG wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Angel HUNG wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Ohh dear god please post these kill mails you will receive soon to entertain me Lol On a side note need anyone to scout for you? Twisted

You really need to read a guide or two before you go down this crazy path. The reason i say this is when your in a raiding party i am assuming you are going to find these holes from HS, if this is the case then you are going through hole that for the most part that have been opened by someone and all chains throughout these open holes have been mapped by people like me hunting any strays we can find. Pirate And you will be damn lucky to find a HS access to a C5 or C6, these will be found deep withing chains and there will be people with scouts on these chains hoping to god to hear the sound of noobs coming through the chains.

I do like your free caring attitude though, but WH's are much safer when you live in them and farm when you have all closed holes or farm in statics when you control the exits and scout the locals out.


Again please let me scout ahead for you........Pirate


EDIT: Spelling gods are against me.

How exactly would I get a carrier into HS?

I'm going through mostly lowsec, but also some quiet nullsec, scouting for holes, and usually trying to find one buried only and exactly 1 hole deep, to minimise the risks of both people finding chains out, and curious people poking their heads in.

That said, C5s aren't exactly as numerous as C3s, so if one's uninhabited, I'll very much so consider it.

Which guide would you recommend I read? Is anyone else crazy enough to attempt this and survive? I'll wager "no". I'm gonna pioneer, then brag about it.

OR. Lose everything. And brag about it.



The HS was mentioned in regard to finding a C5 without going from WH's that have this as a static. Not many people are just nuts enough to take bloody great flashing shoot me targets in a small fleet through open chains really. Man its gonna be like xmas if you get people to start.



Ohh please pioneer on, please do so.

I'm actually quite impervious to your threats, so feel free to desist. This is a help thread, after all.


And now you know why I said good luck.

Also, you're gonna need a ton of luck find a low or null hole into that c5.
Farang Lo
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-04-01 16:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Farang Lo
discordigant wrote:


You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.


just how ill-inform are you??
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-04-02 00:16:47 UTC
Angel HUNG wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Ohh dear god please post these kill mails you will receive soon to entertain me Lol On a side note need anyone to scout for you? Twisted

You really need to read a guide or two before you go down this crazy path. The reason i say this is when your in a raiding party i am assuming you are going to find these holes from HS, if this is the case then you are going through hole that for the most part that have been opened by someone and all chains throughout these open holes have been mapped by people like me hunting any strays we can find. Pirate And you will be damn lucky to find a HS access to a C5 or C6, these will be found deep withing chains and there will be people with scouts on these chains hoping to god to hear the sound of noobs coming through the chains.

I do like your free caring attitude though, but WH's are much safer when you live in them and farm when you have all closed holes or farm in statics when you control the exits and scout the locals out.


Again please let me scout ahead for you........Pirate


EDIT: Spelling gods are against me.

How exactly would I get a carrier into HS?

I'm going through mostly lowsec, but also some quiet nullsec, scouting for holes, and usually trying to find one buried only and exactly 1 hole deep, to minimise the risks of both people finding chains out, and curious people poking their heads in.

That said, C5s aren't exactly as numerous as C3s, so if one's uninhabited, I'll very much so consider it.

Which guide would you recommend I read? Is anyone else crazy enough to attempt this and survive? I'll wager "no". I'm gonna pioneer, then brag about it.

OR. Lose everything. And brag about it.


Fun fact: last I checked there were more C5's than C3's, as a matter of being pedantic.

# of systems by class:
C1: 348
C2: 524
C3: 495
C4: 505
C5: 512
C6: 113 (there's only one C6 region, too)

Now, re: "raiding" C5's. I've done something like it twice now, with different goals and setups in mind. Lived solo in a C5-C5 system with a dread and some scout alts and whatnot. You *can* farm anoms in your static with a single dread, but it's slow and can be quite risky (although due to the way it's done, it's not quite as easy to catch a dread that's doing it compared to catching a dread in an anom with a more typical setup). I decided soon that this method of farming is lame and should probably be fixed by CCP Soon(tm), etc. It wasn't very fun, either. My second solo C5 living was out of a carrier which worked as a mobile base in a C5-C5 system. I only did ladars and grav sites in systems nearby, and did anoms/radars/mags in low class wh's that would sometimes open up. That was actually pretty good, I don't really get lonely so that was a non-issue, and the fun-to-ISK-to-effort ratio was pretty good. Might go for it again sometime in the future, but these days there are fewer unoccupied C5's for such adventures.
discordigant
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-04-02 06:14:36 UTC
Farang Lo wrote:
discordigant wrote:


You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.


just how ill-inform are you??



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discordigant
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-04-02 06:22:33 UTC
Angel HUNG wrote:
I'm actually quite impervious to your threats, so feel free to desist. This is a help thread, after all.



No threats at all, i really do like people to succeed at WH's. The more people that thrive in WH's the more targets we have.... why would i want it to be a wasteland like LS, come get rich but seriously try to listen when people tell you your idea just won't work and will end badly.

There is many ways you could get alts/mains in and out of WH's if you only wish to do it part time. but your idea is crap it really is. This is the help you need to listen to in your "help thread"
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-04-02 07:06:45 UTC
Farang Lo wrote:
since when???


Since forever?



Farang Lo wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.




just how ill-inform are you??


Since you seem to have mistaken my quote for someone else I will respond. Unless the wiki is wrong, I'd say it is pretty definitive that C4-C6 wormholes will never have a static to K-space (High,low or null). It's not to say you won't have random outbound and random inbound WH's from k-space, but since they are in fact "random" your chances of finding one are much smaller.

Please check out the wiki page, namely the wormhole identification section near the bottom.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-04-05 16:16:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnaw LF
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Farang Lo wrote:
since when???


Since forever?



Farang Lo wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.




just how ill-inform are you??


Since you seem to have mistaken my quote for someone else I will respond. Unless the wiki is wrong, I'd say it is pretty definitive that C4-C6 wormholes will never have a static to K-space (High,low or null). It's not to say you won't have random outbound and random inbound WH's from k-space, but since they are in fact "random" your chances of finding one are much smaller.

Please check out the wiki page, namely the wormhole identification section near the bottom.



They wont have k-space static but finding an entrance to one is not impossible as you claim. In the end raiding a WH with a chimmy is a terrible idea.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-05 21:56:59 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Farang Lo wrote:
since when???


Since forever?



Farang Lo wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
You will need lots of luck. The only way your are going to raid a C5 is to find a random WH to one. Since C5's never have a k-pace static you won't have any other way to get in.




just how ill-inform are you??


Since you seem to have mistaken my quote for someone else I will respond. Unless the wiki is wrong, I'd say it is pretty definitive that C4-C6 wormholes will never have a static to K-space (High,low or null). It's not to say you won't have random outbound and random inbound WH's from k-space, but since they are in fact "random" your chances of finding one are much smaller.

Please check out the wiki page, namely the wormhole identification section near the bottom.



They wont have k-space static but finding an entrance to one is not impossible as you claim. In the end raiding a WH with a chimmy is a terrible idea.


Except I never said impossible. In fact just above I said your chances are much smaller, which is true. Much smaller is not equal to impossible.
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