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PL gets 15trillion isk banned in recent RMT bannings

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#161 - 2012-03-31 20:17:51 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
2D34DLY4U wrote:
I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.


"They won some staged small gang fights they are surely not in the wrong"


**** I hate agreeing with goons

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#162 - 2012-03-31 20:22:09 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
2D34DLY4U wrote:
Kytoth wrote:
Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.


IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap.

Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script.

As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc.

I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people.

I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.


CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed.



I hope this was a troll.....Oops

CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past?
Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera.

So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too?


"CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader"


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Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2012-03-31 20:22:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivana Twinkle
For some reason people expect us to be badly hit by this RMT thing?
I assume most goons are like me in that jesus paying real money for space pixels is dumb.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#164 - 2012-03-31 20:31:51 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
2D34DLY4U wrote:
Kytoth wrote:
Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.


IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap.

Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script.

As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc.

I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people.

I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.


CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed.



I hope this was a troll.....Oops

CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past?
Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera.

So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too?


"CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader"




I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#165 - 2012-03-31 20:34:32 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
2D34DLY4U wrote:
Kytoth wrote:
Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.


IF this is the way they did it then I am very much against this crap.

Large alliances with thousands of active people selling ships, contracts and all sorts of services cannot be suddenly hammered to the ground with huge negative isk accounts because some people used rmt isk to buy stuff from them and some dev is using a dumb db script.

As much as I support Sreegs efforts to clean the world from rmt if this is the way it is done we are harming people that play the game instead of harming those that cheat. In a sense it is an even worse way for the cheaters to destroy the game if they are able to provoke this kind of random havoc.

I would expect someone HUMAN and WITH A BRAIN to look closely at the list of bannable accounts that comes out of these scripts and THINK FOR THIRTY SECONDS about implications and trying to understand WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. CCP should investigate stuff, not randomly ban people.

I may be wrong but if I have to choose between Shamis being a cheater and Sreegs being trigger happy and dumb, I'll go with the one that has more Alliance Tournament wins. There's some love for the game right there.


CCP seems to take matters like this pretty seriously. I think you can safely assume that any implicating data generated would be investigated before penalties were assessed.



I hope this was a troll.....Oops

CCP has ignored it for years, now they suddenly start banning? Interesting timing don't you think? When did they spend 10 minutes addressing it the past?
Just after they get mud in their face due to their favorite Bee having a senior moment in front of the camera.

So...not only is the Hive trying Brute-force metagaming, but CCP is gonna give it a try too?


"CCP, I know, lets out one of the big RMT groups so that we can deflect attention away from our abject foolishness at backing a failed leader"




I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.


I see what you did there.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#166 - 2012-03-31 20:41:07 UTC
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JamesCLK
#167 - 2012-03-31 20:43:38 UTC
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Zastrow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#168 - 2012-03-31 20:47:30 UTC
talk about owned
Alexandr Kerensky
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#169 - 2012-03-31 20:49:49 UTC
JamesCLK wrote:
Welcome to EVE Online, we sell paranoia in a box.P



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JamesCLK
#170 - 2012-03-31 20:53:09 UTC
Alexandr Kerensky wrote:
JamesCLK wrote:
Welcome to EVE Online, we sell paranoia in a box.P



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Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-03-31 20:56:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lt Pizi
CCP Sreegs wrote:



I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.


tbh he has a point when he says CCP needs to generate ALOT of good news atm


edit :
that said

i applaud you banhammering on RMT

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El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#172 - 2012-03-31 20:57:52 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
People saying Screegs needs go after the goons to make things fair is just dumb. Yes he used to be in goons and the alliance leader, but he takes his job seriously and is doing a great one at that. I personally do not care what alliance/corp/whatever you belong to, if you RMT enjoy your ban.


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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#173 - 2012-03-31 20:59:56 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I can't decide which of the trolls in these quotes I like better.


Snarf!

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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-03-31 21:00:59 UTC
Note that this is not one PL account with 15T on it that got hit, this is a lot of PL accounts that got hit for a cumulative total of 15T loss according to their internal API dumps.

I kind of feel like a negative wallet isn't enough punishment for say someone sitting in a supercap. Do they really need isk to fly around in a supercap and play? Probably not. You RMT and sit in a supercap = blown up supercap, who's with me?

Hey Sreegs, could we get a total of isk confiscated during this purge?
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#175 - 2012-03-31 21:09:36 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Note that this is not one PL account with 15T on it that got hit, this is a lot of PL accounts that got hit for a cumulative total of 15T loss according to their internal API dumps.

I kind of feel like a negative wallet isn't enough punishment for say someone sitting in a supercap. Do they really need isk to fly around in a supercap and play? Probably not. You RMT and sit in a supercap = blown up supercap, who's with me?

Hey Sreegs, could we get a total of isk confiscated during this purge?


I have heard that several people had their supercaps impounded.

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R0ot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#176 - 2012-03-31 21:11:58 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Note that this is not one PL account with 15T on it that got hit, this is a lot of PL accounts that got hit for a cumulative total of 15T loss according to their internal API dumps.

I kind of feel like a negative wallet isn't enough punishment for say someone sitting in a supercap. Do they really need isk to fly around in a supercap and play? Probably not. You RMT and sit in a supercap = blown up supercap, who's with me?

Hey Sreegs, could we get a total of isk confiscated during this purge?


Posting to confirm this is 100% Fact/Truth/Dead on/Without Doubt/Sure Thing/Guarantee etc.

Also I was that -A- supercap spy that they blue up =/

Also in before me being quoted on the above.
Sanantha
Search and Recovery
#177 - 2012-03-31 21:34:08 UTC
as wrong as a Real Money Transaction is, how can CCP definitively prove one took place?
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2012-03-31 21:40:14 UTC
Sanantha wrote:
as wrong as a Real Money Transaction is, how can CCP definitively prove one took place?

voodoo i tell you

or following the money trail

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#179 - 2012-03-31 21:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Whilst I appreciate what's going on, I'm surprised it was PL who have been hit the hardest - especially on an alliance level - they have won alliance tournaments (yes - staged fake-pvp and tons of metagaming) - nonetheless they had alliance tournament price ships for sale, hold tech moons, had some quite lucrative contracts and have lots of long time players who should have accumulated some isk in the meantime´on their own.

So I would have expected PL to be filthy-rich without any illegal isk bought. I wouldn't have been surprised if they even had been banned for having tons of botted isk - but PL buying isk?

Sounds odd. Maybe their contracts were paid for with dirty isk?

If it was mainly young PL members I wouldn't be as surprised (peer-pressure to get your own titan and stuff), but on an alliance level?
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
SirMille
Sigma Kid Protection Services
#180 - 2012-03-31 21:50:22 UTC
Sanantha wrote:
as wrong as a Real Money Transaction is, how can CCP definitively prove one took place?


There will always be people screaming that they're a false positive regardless of whether or not they are. There are also likely cases who feel like they are innocent but would be effectively unable to prove it, it's unfortunate. For example:

Quote:
I took my negative isk hit because short of providing Sreegs with a full audit of my RL financials I would be unable to prove my own innocence. I don't think there's a point to me filing a petition when my isk clearly came from an RMTer, no matter how hard I screamed that I didn't pay real cash for it short of handing records that I am barely comfortable with giving to my accountant. Instead of taking loans and applying to win prizes from shady individuals I'm going on a strict plex4isk diet only from now on and hope that will appease our wildly-cackling-while-snorting-wasabi overlord. I already bought a bunch of plex so I hope the transaction reversal isn't followed by a ban. On the upside I don't have to pay the loan back now.