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PL gets 15trillion isk banned in recent RMT bannings

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Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2012-03-31 15:50:31 UTC
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Sanantha wrote:
RMT stands for what? Real Money Transaction?


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Trust a Goon to know what RMT stands for. Roll

PAN


So did the dude above me. Care to accuse him, too?
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-03-31 15:51:29 UTC
On that note, so did (apparently) you. By your logic, you RMT.
Lord Publow
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-03-31 15:52:22 UTC
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#104 - 2012-03-31 15:52:46 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.

Unless, you know, goons aren't involved in RMT to such a massive degree. I'm sure some of them do it, and have done it in the past, but the same could be said of any alliance.

Some other alliances seem to have made actual agreements with ISK merchants, in terms of letting them bot in their space and in selling/buying their own ISK. If evidence can be found that goons have done this, fine, but you cannot run a "Goonswarm RMT sweep" unless goons have actually been RMTing.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#105 - 2012-03-31 15:59:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.

Unless, you know, goons aren't involved in RMT to such a massive degree. I'm sure some of them do it, and have done it in the past, but the same could be said of any alliance.

Some other alliances seem to have made actual agreements with ISK merchants, in terms of letting them bot in their space and in selling/buying their own ISK. If evidence can be found that goons have done this, fine, but you cannot run a "Goonswarm RMT sweep" unless goons have actually been RMTing.


Oh don't mistake me I am quite happy to finally see something done against people who fight pixels with fat RL wallets.
But the banhammer comes in a quite hot moment, it'll just a matter of hours days before people start drawing evil connections.

Anyway kudos to CCP Sreegs as this is like the first time that something so massively effective is pulled off!

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Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-03-31 16:01:12 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
On that note, so did (apparently) you. By your logic, you RMT.


Like you said - "apparently". FYI I didn't but nice-ish attempt at trying to deflect criticism back at me rather than talk about whether *your* alliance is similarly involved in RMT.

PAN
Irisa Selenia
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-03-31 16:02:49 UTC
The isk sink to end all isk sinks.
Miss Convenient
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-03-31 16:08:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Convenient
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
On that note, so did (apparently) you. By your logic, you RMT.


HAHAHA, you got caught!

-75,9 bill, amirite?
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#109 - 2012-03-31 16:20:42 UTC
Miss Convenient wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
On that note, so did (apparently) you. By your logic, you RMT.


HAHAHA, you got caught!

-75,9 bill, amirite?


No, he is only down 1.3bil Lol
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#110 - 2012-03-31 16:31:40 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Was just confirmed on Twitter by one of the other security guys @seanconover. No dev name no way to know if legit though

That's Sreegs.

UGH BEATEN BY SREEGS *SHAKES FIST*


You guys rock.

Seriously, yous do....

Much love....

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Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-03-31 16:35:48 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Was just confirmed on Twitter by one of the other security guys @seanconover. No dev name no way to know if legit though

That's Sreegs.

UGH BEATEN BY SREEGS *SHAKES FIST*


You guys rock.

Seriously, yous do....

Much love....


As long as *all* the major alliances are investigated and those that RMT are similarly actioned.

You'd have to be very naive to think that only PL were at it.........................

PAN
Kytoth
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-03-31 16:43:12 UTC
I think it should be obvious that a Char doing ship reimbursement from his own wallet for a 1000+ pilot alliance might look alot like an RMT'er, e.g. both give large amounts of isk to lots of people for no apparent reason.

Especially to some script crawling the DB.

Ofc PL could also have accepted large amounts of RMT'ed isk for their contracts with certain alliances.

I'd however be slow with pointing fingers, I'm pretty sure CCP's program has some major flaws in it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#113 - 2012-03-31 16:44:44 UTC
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:

As long as *all* the major alliances are investigated and those that RMT are similarly actioned.

You'd have to be very naive to think that only PL were at it.........................

PAN


Which is why I am looking forwards to the next few days.
DrizzCat
B.O.O.M
#114 - 2012-03-31 16:47:26 UTC
Kytoth wrote:
I'm pretty sure CCP's program has some major flaws in it.


I think you need to see the Security Presentation from this year's Fanfest - where there has only been 1, with a possible 2nd False Positive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE

Link to the CCP Uploaded Security Presentation.

Watch it and Learn. This has been Planned for a while, and I think we now know the Biggest Slice on the Alliance Pie Chart.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#115 - 2012-03-31 16:47:59 UTC
Kytoth wrote:
I think it should be obvious that a Char doing ship reimbursement from his own wallet for a 1000+ pilot alliance might look alot like an RMT'er, e.g. both give large amounts of isk to lots of people for no apparent reason.

Especially to some script crawling the DB.

Ofc PL could also have accepted large amounts of RMT'ed isk for their contracts with certain alliances.

I'd however be slow with pointing fingers, I'm pretty sure CCP's program has some major flaws in it.


PL are by far not alone in providing reimbursement isk tfor alliance losses yet so far its only them who have been reported as hit. CFC reimbursement wallet seems fine as does Raidens.
Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-03-31 16:48:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:

As long as *all* the major alliances are investigated and those that RMT are similarly actioned.

You'd have to be very naive to think that only PL were at it.........................

PAN


Which is why I am looking forwards to the next few days.


Me too.

Now I am not going to name names but bees and evil clowns spring to mind..................

PAN
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-03-31 16:49:24 UTC
sreegs
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2012-03-31 16:49:41 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.


The fact that our alliance wallet wasn't touched might just mean that we actually keep our noses clean.

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Kytoth
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-03-31 16:49:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:

As long as *all* the major alliances are investigated and those that RMT are similarly actioned.

You'd have to be very naive to think that only PL were at it.........................

PAN


Which is why I am looking forwards to the next few days.


Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.
Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-03-31 16:50:35 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.


The fact that our alliance wallet wasn't touched.


Yet.......................

PAN