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PL gets 15trillion isk banned in recent RMT bannings

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Lenid Kalkin
#321 - 2012-04-02 19:33:08 UTC
For 2b isk I will explain to you how we used this thread to make 68b and you've all been trolled (again)
Spurty
#322 - 2012-04-02 19:38:39 UTC
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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#323 - 2012-04-02 20:25:09 UTC
Epiphaniess wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
>1 or 2 false positives

Sounds like it's just a system that doesn't allow appeals.


Or CCP is extremely careful about whom they Ban for RMT.

I personally will believe CCP over anyone claiming they are innocent, for I am sure CCP takes this seriously and does not want to net in the innocent with the guilty.



what theres an appeals process for bans in a game whre they have the right to ban you for anything they want? I thought the only course of action for that was walking away.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Kaitlin smithson
Murmurs And Whispers
#324 - 2012-04-02 20:29:33 UTC
Whatayoke wrote:
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how in the fock do you get yourself a negative 76 billion (give or take a few iskies) in the fricking hole?
seriously, I think this dude pawned his house off. Big smile
Vhan
Scalebane Syndicate
#325 - 2012-04-02 22:33:07 UTC
CCP: Mind tweeting/posting how much isk was removed from the game for the recent sweep(s)? I'd love to see a graph of how much has been caught.

Dev blog with a chart, please!
Ting Mei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#326 - 2012-04-02 23:39:48 UTC
It is what i call "To be Headshoted" ! Twisted
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#327 - 2012-04-03 00:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Malcanis wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Joe Skellington wrote:
Wow, heads are rolling with big Alliances. Amazing.


Funny, thought that only high sec carebears were using bots in high sec.
But even if it was true, how can you do so much trillions of isk out of high sec?





Missionbots.

One nullsec region can support maybe 2 bots per system, but usually just 1. A busy mission hub system can easily support 100 bots - and it's easy to see that many of them do so if you go and look at sdfadfg1, sdfadfg2, sdfadfg3, sdfadfg4, sdfadfg5, sdfadfg6 and of course their good buddy sdfadfg7 undocking Tengus in sequence.




I keep trying to tell people, this is why there is a Great Wall of Carebear with bears and bots on BOTH sides. The 0.0 bots are actually safer, considering how many hundreds of macks and hulks get popped via the suicide gank.


Do people man those gank pipelines becuase they are truly rollplaying pirates? Even the serious RP crowd is hard pressed to find time to be that thorough as to guarantee the "you go there you die" factor.

Is it bored players? They are in lowsec or ganking bots in high.

Could it be the hardcore neckbeards replacing sex with KB stats? I don't think even neckbeards are that devoted and if they were that horney they would shave and put on a clean shirt and go out.


No, it's MONEY. The only way to get that much gate camping and blobbing going to be as reliable as we see it in this game, is for there to be a monetary motivation for it. Think about how long it takes for a few people to do an open source software project that goes anywhere versus how rapidly and advanced a DARPA-funded project goes. Would you work on software 18 hours a day for free? Nope. For a big haul of cash? Most people would.

That botting, and hence RMT, means a LOT of money, the motivation to shut nullsec out is coming from money. And those who still want to go have to either join the big alliances that bot and RMT, OR become a renter from such entities and pay them more ISK.

I would not be surprised if Hilmar found a horse's head in his bed considering how much money is involved and the kind of RL crime organizations who are already adept at laundering money gotten from "other than normal" means. I hope CCP employees are well armed and trained. (Any who are not I will train for free, btw).

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#328 - 2012-04-03 01:30:43 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Could it be the hardcore neckbeards replacing sex with KB stats? I don't think even neckbeards are that devoted and if they were that horney they would shave and put on a clean shirt and go out.

Their k/d ratio, huh..

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#329 - 2012-04-03 01:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
No, it's MONEY. The only way to get that much gate camping and blobbing going to be as reliable as we see it in this game, is for there to be a monetary motivation for it. Think about how long it takes for a few people to do an open source software project that goes anywhere versus how rapidly and advanced a DARPA-funded project goes. Would you work on software 18 hours a day for free? Nope. For a big haul of cash? Most people would.

That botting, and hence RMT, means a LOT of money, the motivation to shut nullsec out is coming from money. And those who still want to go have to either join the big alliances that bot and RMT, OR become a renter from such entities and pay them more ISK.

I would not be surprised if Hilmar found a horse's head in his bed considering how much money is involved and the kind of RL crime organizations who are already adept at laundering money gotten from "other than normal" means. I hope CCP employees are well armed and trained. (Any who are not I will train for free, btw).

Posting to confirm that null sec alliances are actually all run by the mob, and that I am paid to gate camp the entrances to such systems in ounces of charlie.

(also apparently the non-slang word for chang is censored, seriously CCP?)

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#330 - 2012-04-03 10:45:29 UTC
I have two naive questions:

1. How did PL get so much ISK? They rarely hold any sov, and I presume they do not have a lot of tech moons either. Is it contract money?

If they are in the business of selling, and still had so much, how much ISK there has to be in the big sov-holding alliances... Shocked

2. How do they convert their ISK to real money? I'd assume that their evil boss sells ISK to organized crime leaders and they sell it back to hisec failnoobs. Right? But given that there are legitimate ways to buy ISK with cash (PLEX) and there are only 100-200k or so EVE players to begin with, I have trouble imagining that there is a really substantial amount of money to be made.

So there are about 400k active accounts. That's maybe 200k players, at most. Let's assume that 10% of players are inclined to buy ISK for cash, and a tenth of those are willing to do it illegally (and risk being banned). These numbers seem rather generous to me, I suspect they are really much lower.

That would be about 2000 players buying ISK for cash from criminal ISK sellers. Even if every one of them was willing to spend 20 Euro in cash every month, that would make about 40k Euros per month *for all of EVE*. Given that there are probably awfully many competing entities on the criminal shadow market which divide these profits, and many rank-and-file enablers to be paid, it's hard to see how anyone is getting rich here.

Of course my numbers are completely arbitrary and could be far from the truth. I would love to know the real numbers, but I guess even CCP knows very little about them.

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Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#331 - 2012-04-03 10:48:00 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
I have two naive questions:

1. How did PL get so much ISK? They rarely hold any sov, and I presume they do not have a lot of tech moons either. Is it contract money?

SOV doesn't generate any money at all.
And PL have a shitton of tech and neomoons.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#332 - 2012-04-03 10:51:03 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
I have two naive questions:

1. How did PL get so much ISK? They rarely hold any sov, and I presume they do not have a lot of tech moons either. Is it contract money?

SOV doesn't generate any money at all.
And PL have a shitton of tech and neomoons.


Ok then. I know sov does not generate ISK (quite the opposite), but I thought that someone who does not hold sov is unlikely to hold a lot of the most valuable moons (for long).

.

Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#333 - 2012-04-03 10:59:33 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Luba Cibre wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
I have two naive questions:

1. How did PL get so much ISK? They rarely hold any sov, and I presume they do not have a lot of tech moons either. Is it contract money?

SOV doesn't generate any money at all.
And PL have a shitton of tech and neomoons.


Ok then. I know sov does not generate ISK (quite the opposite), but I thought that someone who does not hold sov is unlikely to hold a lot of the most valuable moons (for long).

moons aren't tied to the sov system at all.
If you can defend them, they're yours.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#334 - 2012-04-03 11:00:28 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Ok then. I know sov does not generate ISK (quite the opposite), but I thought that someone who does not hold sov is unlikely to hold a lot of the most valuable moons (for long).

There's no real link between holding sov and holding moons, and power projection/reinforce timers in Eve allow people with enough capitals to hold moons in systems without regard to where they are deployed.

For example if you attacked a PL tech moon in Aridia they would very shortly log on an alt to check on it, if you reinforced it then when it comes out of reinforced they'd have a capital fleet jumped in to defend it and rep it back up. Failing that they'd just bridge in a sub-cap fleet with a load of logistics.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#335 - 2012-04-03 14:45:31 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Ok then. I know sov does not generate ISK (quite the opposite), but I thought that someone who does not hold sov is unlikely to hold a lot of the most valuable moons (for long).

There's no real link between holding sov and holding moons, and power projection/reinforce timers in Eve allow people with enough capitals to hold moons in systems without regard to where they are deployed.

For example if you attacked a PL tech moon in Aridia they would very shortly log on an alt to check on it, if you reinforced it then when it comes out of reinforced they'd have a capital fleet jumped in to defend it and rep it back up. Failing that they'd just bridge in a sub-cap fleet with a load of logistics.


The magic of titans.
Phoenus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#336 - 2012-04-03 17:40:14 UTC
This thread (and all the others on some of the other popular EVE forums) provided many hours of entertainment for the Pandemic Legion guys.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28581

Troll, busted. Dammit Sreegs. :(
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#337 - 2012-04-03 17:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Pallidum Treponema
:(
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#338 - 2012-04-03 18:03:39 UTC
Kaitlin smithson wrote:
Whatayoke wrote:
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how in the fock do you get yourself a negative 76 billion (give or take a few iskies) in the fricking hole?
seriously, I think this dude pawned his house off. Big smile


Today's devblog claimed only 3T on RMT banned accounts and another 500B reversed. If PL lost 15T they did so because of botting, not RMTing.

Enuen Ravenseye
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#339 - 2012-04-03 18:48:55 UTC
Phoenus wrote:
This thread (and all the others on some of the other popular EVE forums) provided many hours of entertainment for the Pandemic Legion guys.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28581

Troll, busted. Dammit Sreegs. :(


"We will continue to expand the scope of this to include asset seizure in the coming days which will include reclamation of supercaps and actions against alliances if need be."


Bwahahahahaha. Please excuse me whilst I go pleasure myself ....

(P.S. Death - in game, of course - to all botters and RMTers)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#340 - 2012-04-03 19:03:07 UTC
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:


"We will continue to expand the scope of this to include asset seizure in the coming days which will include reclamation of supercaps and actions against alliances if need be."


Guess this is why I am seeing no titans in TenalLol