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The ability to add a last name/Change your name.

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Oregin
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#21 - 2012-05-15 19:00:30 UTC
As has been rightly pointed out. Name changes are a bad idea if people can just hide from their past.

You might argue... oh hey, put it in the character sheet like the employment history.

However, no matter what you do to record and make available the information regarding name changes it doesn't matter. The long and short of it is that I would not enjoy having to open char info and browse name changes to get an idea of who a pilot is. If you're that guy who acts like a prat or the guy who's flying the fail fit BS, I want to know at a glance, not have to find that info.

No to name changes, it's cosmetic and although it might suit the few who made a bad choice when they started off, it's gonna cause extra clicking about for everybody else.
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#22 - 2012-05-15 19:19:43 UTC
Valea Silpha wrote:

That's an interesting point.

I get what you're saying. I really do. But since Eve is localized into Russian and Japanese and such, it is extremely hard for people who have no knowledge of those languages to say 'Yeah, thats just screwing with us'. Especially when you add to it that very few people have real words as their name, it would be extremely EXTREMELY hard to enforce that. And then you top it off with Eve being a long was distant even from the pretense of role playing for most players, a lot of people are happy to roll with a handle, rather than a genuine name, because that's the nature of the interwebs. A lot of those names aren't really supposed to be said out loud, just read off a screen. Its supposed to be individual and unique, not practical.

As for adding names and stuff... Hmmm... I think that mechanically its a no-go. Since your name as originally typed is the only way to persistently find a character. Imagine trying to look up a guy you were friends with back in your old corp, maybe to call in a favor or just to chat. You put in his first name, because he was first name only...The results already put out everyone who has that name and a surname. And add to that all the scamming crap... Bleh. Given that even people with names that they thought they invented (like mine) have a few other people with similar names, and so even minor changes can make it impossible to find someone without blind guess work.

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem that there could be a place for this in game. It's just... The way it is. Changing the only unique identifier for your character, at any cost, would break various aspects of the game. Even non-sinister uses of this would be at best deeply inconvenient.

the sad thing is that even a compromise, like having a thing similar to your corp title that you can fill out yourself would mostly not be read and even then its not going to be used to refer to you.


Not really saying that they should be strict overlords on what does and doesn't constitute a name... but simply adding the limitation that System Names, Cuss Words (CCP are very multicultural, I'd be surprised if they didn't have 1 person from each Nation they language support that they can ask "Hey what offensive words do you natively know?") and that god awful habit of using Leet for names.

I'm not against seeing a name like Mr Fredmeister 72 ... but 3limin4t0R instead of Eliminator is just ******* childish and annoying, given the main focus within this game is PvP; which means at someone point someone WILL have to attempt to call out these names. Mind this said I also feel that there should be a better language localiser, because if I'm playing in Engilsh I want to see English characters for what is being said; where-as if I'm playing in Japanese I'd prefer to see nothing but japanese characters.

There are pretty standardised systems for achieving this, just hope it makes it in to the game at some point. I mean if they go down the full translation route, Microsoft is currently working on software that not only perfectly translates text but also voices between language ... very weird hearing your own voice speak a language you don't know, but so damn cool.

Now don't get me wrong I do understand the whole "Scam" aspect here, but our names are merely String ID fields; we actually all have a unique "Clone Number" as it were for each account, you see it on the forums (profiles) you also see it on EVEGate and the API that killboards use. Why not simply have this shown with the character name, Scammers will always try to scam... hell I've seen people make characters specifically with similar names to scam with, if we had the Clone Number, this gives people a very definitive means of keeping track of people regardless of name changes.

Right now as I understand it the only thing that constitutes valid for a name change are names with bad language in them.
If that became an automated system that blocked them, everyone was forced to have a Last name (which ALL new characters are), there was a block on using System / Region / Faction names and the use of Numbers and Letter was limited to Seperate Words. This would provide a much cleaner and better system we can use for naming our characters.

There would possibly be some edge cases of loosing touch with people you don't have on your friends lists or potencial scams, but honestly it would do more good than potencial harm.

I also don't see an issue with name changing if it had say a 12 Subscribed Months Delay to when you can do it again and it cost a PLEX each time. Provided it was only 1 and they didn't stack like Attribute Respecs. Don't see how it could really do that much harm, plus that person would be stuck with it for atleast a year.

Almost every other MMO I know instigates a number of Naming Policies that are far more strict than EVE, simply because their audiences are generally younger .. EVE tend to appeal more to adults, but problem is I think we're actually worse than the damn kids, partly cause we know far more offensive terms. Would also echo that every other MMO I play allows you to change a characters name, either at will or for a nominal £10 fee.

As I said, I understand EVE is in a unique position with far more open nature to scam, but honestly with the ability to effectively create as many character as we like for free... how is not allowing people to change their names actually a big deal. We have depol to do it in real-life, surely they still have depol in the far future where there is only war (wait wrong IP lol)
Kiev Duran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-05-15 19:22:47 UTC
Oregin wrote:
As has been rightly pointed out. Name changes are a bad idea if people can just hide from their past.

You might argue... oh hey, put it in the character sheet like the employment history.

However, no matter what you do to record and make available the information regarding name changes it doesn't matter. The long and short of it is that I would not enjoy having to open char info and browse name changes to get an idea of who a pilot is. If you're that guy who acts like a prat or the guy who's flying the fail fit BS, I want to know at a glance, not have to find that info.

No to name changes, it's cosmetic and although it might suit the few who made a bad choice when they started off, it's gonna cause extra clicking about for everybody else.


So you're against name changes on the grounds that it would cause a large amount of extra work to be done on the part of other people to identify those who had changed their names?

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I don't believe that's a solid argument. First and foremost, the only times searching through name history would be important would be during the few occasions that you would need to verify the identity of someone that you're dealing with, i.e. personal trades and corp/alliance recruitment. The guy in local acting like a prat is acting like a prat and can be identified as a prat through his actions. To identify someone flying a fail fit BS at a glance would require looking at the ship and the fit will be fail regardless of the name of the character.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#24 - 2012-05-24 13:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
"Your name is your reputation" is nothing short of a b******t excuse these days for not implementing name change. Only the ballsiest and/or most sociopathic players don't use alts to scam or otherwise inconvenience other players, instead of reveling in their bad rep. However, a considerable amount of people are avoiding karma simply by having alts. With the plex system having a "dirty work alt" is easier than it was ever before.

At the very least old characters should be offered a name change due to the limitations of the old character creation system, if for no other reason. I mean back in the day I'm not even sure if there was a name randomizer available (possibly was, but can't remember for sure), not to mention being able to have three parts to your name. I nevertheless would want this to become an actual paid feature wtih ideas that have been passed around before in greater detail, like once a year maximum, a reasonable yet abuse discouraging price tag (say, the price of a months sub, and you couldn't buy it with PLEX) at the very least.

To make a compromise to the ever complaining, self entitled bitter vets, namechanged accounts should be noticeable somehow, possibly having a small star(*), exclamation point(!) or any variant thereof, added behind their name.
It should be fairly unobtrusive on the name itself, but still appear in the overview/chatlists in a way that would be immediately noticeable. This would alert the most paranoid of us to check the many times over suggested name history tab of the character.

Personally I'd even be happy with just having a slot you could fill out yourself in style of roleplaying addons of other MMO's, that would display when opening character info, under a characters name. Other people could use it to add imaginary titles to themselves or something.

EDIT:
Adding this link for good measure to a thread about this in CSM, it debunks the common reasons for saying "no" much better than I ever could.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8710
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-24 13:16:49 UTC
Check out my 5 letter name, no numbers or punctuation. Aww yeah

If your character is biomassed, another character takes its name, and then you petition to have the character un-biomassed, then CCP will change your character's name.

Try this out. I recommend using titan pilots.
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