EVE General Discussion

CCP <> Mittani, that is all

certainly, but you said this:

Thanks to the nearly thousand people that tuned in this evening, and the others who will get to listen over the coming days. It's been a pleasure as always. Hopefully we did a good job representing all available sides in this issue, and have raised some awareness, and sparked some productive discussions for people.

At the very least, we bothered to ask the people involved on both sides of the story rather than just making assumptions on random tips and half truths.

Until next time!

Odd, isn't it?

Sigh, I'm not a lawyer but if I was my case would go like this:
Your honor, we, CCP, we're accused in the media of allowing cyber bullying. This caused our partnership with sony to fall apart. Under an intense amount of pressure we were then forced to make changes to our game that caused most of our very loyal customers to quit and stop playing. However the record will show that the articles written that contained references to cyber bullying have all been edited to remove that sensational claim and this webcast radio interview has the journalist in question who wrote said article fully retracting his statement that this was cyber bullying. Clearly the name of CCP games has be unjustly libeled and we demand compensation.
If what Mittani said was an whatever to suicide, and I highly doubt a wikipedia article is the BEST source to go to find that out, that would be an entirely separate case.

So while we're able to speak as reasonable adults for a moment. Can you at least understand what the issue is in general here? Its not as Alexander Gianturco has portrayed this evening about a liberal media wanting to turn eve online into hello killy (or whatever) its with non SA eve players wanting conflict in this game kept to ingame conflict. There is no need for all the bullying and harrassment of the players behind the characters - thats simply crass.

We are all playing this game because we like the excitement and consequences of a full on pvp setting. Everyone who keeps playing understands that its a game of ruthless intrigues and bloody violence in space. All that is asked of the SA community is that you respect the boundaries between in-game conflict and ooc harrassment and make sure you stay on the right side of the line.

Burn Jita all you like. Grief ice-miners all year if you like, rob and steal and despoil and spread horror and suffering (in-game). But don't get into the business of trying to push real people out of the game with out of game metagaming and harrassment and none of us will have any problems.

It's a good analogy. He'll also claim that's not really who he is and that he's being judged unfairly.

It's just that demon liquor. Not the jerk it reveals, huh?

Thread is rapidly degenerating into this:

http://bit.ly/qbjywZ

What people may be forgetting is there are real life implications for public labels. References for various reasons may use an internet search these days to research a person's history and character, the idea of using Facebook as a supplementary tool for consideration in job interviews being a classic example.

Similarly things like financial applications or even just school teachers checking the background of parents for a childs admitttance are all potentially relevant to consider.

Wether these things are applicable to Mittens is really not our buisness at the end of the day but as such I think people need to take a step back and ask themselves (despite culpability) wether the gravity of what happened at Fanfest needs to mean someone's life potentially effected to the extent of being labelled a "Cyberbully".

I for one see the correction in the media not only helpfull to CCP and the EvE community to remove any possibilities of harmfull generalisations derived from the reports but as such I see it as a helpfull part of the healing process for those concerned.

Lessons have been learned I think, apologies have been issued and Mittens has acknowledged his punishment in the process as valid, however acceptance of that is up to each person to consider of course, I can't dictate that to you. But for me I'm happy to forgive Mittens for a moment of folly in order that he can get his own real life issues together. I think he is owed that if we are to give any credance to the RL relevance of the issues surrounding it and I hope the healing process continues.

So he enters a highly public (at least to the gaming community) political position, gets trashed and calls for the harassment 'till suicide of a fellow player. Then complains that people are calling him a cyber bully. Wha-what?

He apologized, and you have to give him credit for that, but he gave up the rights of anonymity when he willingly ran for CSM. He gave up the right to not be called a cyber bully when he got drunk and attempted to bully someone into suicide.