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Should CCP to restrict alcohol at fanfest?

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Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#41 - 2012-03-30 22:41:41 UTC
Yes. They should only provide the good stuff. No more of this Jager crap. Fifty cent shots of blue label all the way!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#42 - 2012-03-30 22:42:07 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
The MIttani should be restricted to Shirley Temples.



That's a girl drink.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-03-30 22:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Yes. Fanfest is becoming more and more public and televised each year. It will be under more and more scrutiny each year as well. Drinking should be prohibited in any event that can be or will be televised in any way. Outside of that, what is done at the after parties and in the pubs is another matter.

This is now a matter of public view and public opinion. I doubt CCP wants to be shed in a negative light. Allowing people to get drunk while asking and answering questions is not something most people would consider a positive thing.

Let me clarify. Presenters and anybody on stage in front of a camera should not be drinking or obviously stupid drunk. If the attendees are drinking and it isn't a problem, that should be ok.

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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-03-30 22:43:05 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
The MIttani should be restricted to Shirley Temples.


Nah Baby Chams or Snowballs with a cherry Big smile
Zaine Maltis
Innsmouth Enterprises
#45 - 2012-03-30 22:45:21 UTC
Ninevite wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
Fanfest has been doing great since forever and it always has been a alcohol fest, just because someone now uses it as an excuse for messing up doesn't change any of that.


Ah, really not pinning it on Mittani at all, I just felt 80% of the player presentations were worthless



Er.... what did you expect to get out of the Alliance Panel? Useful intel? It's supposed to be a drunken brag-athon.
smokeAjoint
Catch And Release Privateering
#46 - 2012-03-30 22:50:39 UTC
just puff puff pass a few at the round table's ^^

** legalize it**

Panda Name
The Chatsubo
#47 - 2012-03-30 22:51:04 UTC
i agree OP. CCP, perhaps next year you could let the amarrians host fanfest. while their strictness may result in a few deaths, their flair for rituals would add a nice atmosphere to the event.

yes, i realize this may exclude a few brutors, but nobody cares about them anyway.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#48 - 2012-03-30 22:51:29 UTC
CCP should start giving out free blow & acid next fanfest along with Frentrix boosters!!!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Serene Repose
#49 - 2012-03-30 22:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Any time you have a broadcast open to the public...all they need is a URL, you don't need account ID and password to access it, the ones who "own the mic" are responsible (criminally, civillly and fiduciarily) to ensure what goes out on that broadcast is in compliance with any laws in any jurisdiction that broadcast might reach. All nations have a set of media laws since the days of radio when crackpots incited people to riot...even the events in Ruwanda were driven by radio broadcasts. Things can get out of hand, quickly.

This means the party givers can't get caught up in the party. If they want a drunken guest to access a microphone, they're free to do it, but there's no excuse any competant legal authority will listen to. CCP in this instance has demonstrated they do not endorse what the person in question said, or did. They distanced themselves from the person quickly enough so as not to appear complicit by intent. That would satisfy reasonable law enforcement, or regulatory bodies. (However, if it happened again, they wouldn't get off so easy.)

So, with this new technology we have...sort of off-the-shelf ability to broadcast world wide, word to the wise: Exercise control over who uses that mic. The party attendees don't have to be sober. Neither do the ones broadcasting, but it'd be a good idea if the second group of party goers are sober. It's also a good idea to gather those whose voices will be going out and brief them on the parameters they have to remain within. You can even print up an agreement and have them sign it. This at least will have them exposed to the parameters...assuming they read it before they sign it. I'd do both. Put it in writing and tell them verbally.

The NEXT thing to do is run the broadcast on a five-second delay with a person on a kill switch. You see this all the time. The drunken guest says "mortarforker", and you have time to blink that out, but not interrupt the stream. Believe any law enforcement will be asking why you didn't do any of this, considering your legal vulnerability should anything go wrong.

So, no. To be in compliance, the party-goers can get $hitfaced if they want - which does reflect on the image of the party giver, btw - and so can those who'll be on the tube....as long as certain effective controls are in place and used. We run whatever risks we want in this life. If you want to play cowboy, nobody's stopping you. After the fact? Don't be surprised if there's a knock on your door and some suits and ties are on your porch with a sheaf of papers...and maybe even a guy with some handcuffs.

Word to yo' muthuh.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#50 - 2012-03-30 23:00:10 UTC
Panda Name wrote:
i agree OP. CCP, perhaps next year you could let the amarrians host fanfest. while their strictness may result in a few deaths, their flair for rituals would add a nice atmosphere to the event.

yes, i realize this may exclude a few brutors, but nobody cares about them anyway.


Lets hold Fanfest in Texas!!! We'll all wear guns & fire in the air with our six shooters during presentations instead of wimpy applause!!!
At high noon every day the alliance leaders have a shootout in the middle of the street
The last day we'll form a posse & lynch the Goonswarm's CEO
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Khadann
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-03-30 23:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Khadann
No,

As one of the dev mentionned, the other Game companies are jealous of CCP way of dealing with its players community.

Fanfest is the only place you could have such experience with game developers. I mean, look at blizz con where even foo fighter can not make people cheers, and don't let me start with the SOE conventions, just good for roleplaying :s
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-03-30 23:06:35 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
T' Elk wrote:
No.


Ai Shun
#53 - 2012-03-30 23:21:36 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
This is now a matter of public view and public opinion. I doubt CCP wants to be shed in a negative light. Allowing people to get drunk while asking and answering questions is not something most people would consider a positive thing.


They should make Oktoberfest alcohol free as well. I mean, the wor ... United States might be watching.

Serene Repose wrote:
to ensure what goes out on that broadcast is in compliance with any laws in any jurisdiction that broadcast might reach


I hope they don't have Internet in countries under Sharia law. And there are nobody in any religious demographic which objects to this form of partying that might play EVE and watch Fanfest. Because if you seriously want them to comply with any laws their broadcast across the internet might reach ... well. Fanfest is gone.

Count Austheim
Redemption Denied
#54 - 2012-03-30 23:59:32 UTC
Ninevite wrote:
Looking back at fanfest I blah blah blah.


No, i need the alcohol to deal with all the nerds. And to forget my own self image.

If this ships a´rockin, then im strangling someone....

http://count-austheim.blogspot.com

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#55 - 2012-03-31 00:14:07 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Any time you have a broadcast open to the public...all they need is a URL, you don't need account ID and password to access it, the ones who "own the mic" are responsible (criminally, civillly and fiduciarily) to ensure what goes out on that broadcast is in compliance with any laws in any jurisdiction that broadcast might reach. All nations have a set of media laws since the days of radio when crackpots incited people to riot...even the events in Ruwanda were driven by radio broadcasts. Things can get out of hand, quickly.

This means the party givers can't get caught up in the party. If they want a drunken guest to access a microphone, they're free to do it, but there's no excuse any competant legal authority will listen to. CCP in this instance has demonstrated they do not endorse what the person in question said, or did. They distanced themselves from the person quickly enough so as not to appear complicit by intent. That would satisfy reasonable law enforcement, or regulatory bodies. (However, if it happened again, they wouldn't get off so easy.)

So, with this new technology we have...sort of off-the-shelf ability to broadcast world wide, word to the wise: Exercise control over who uses that mic. The party attendees don't have to be sober. Neither do the ones broadcasting, but it'd be a good idea if the second group of party goers are sober. It's also a good idea to gather those whose voices will be going out and brief them on the parameters they have to remain within. You can even print up an agreement and have them sign it. This at least will have them exposed to the parameters...assuming they read it before they sign it. I'd do both. Put it in writing and tell them verbally.

The NEXT thing to do is run the broadcast on a five-second delay with a person on a kill switch. You see this all the time. The drunken guest says "mortarforker", and you have time to blink that out, but not interrupt the stream. Believe any law enforcement will be asking why you didn't do any of this, considering your legal vulnerability should anything go wrong.

So, no. To be in compliance, the party-goers can get $hitfaced if they want - which does reflect on the image of the party giver, btw - and so can those who'll be on the tube....as long as certain effective controls are in place and used. We run whatever risks we want in this life. If you want to play cowboy, nobody's stopping you. After the fact? Don't be surprised if there's a knock on your door and some suits and ties are on your porch with a sheaf of papers...and maybe even a guy with some handcuffs.

Word to yo' muthuh.


Time delay is a good idea.

As much as I hate to say it, the rest is so much drivel. If you don't know what does and does not apply as far as an internet broadcast is concerned I would suggest not offering your insight in the future.

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Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-03-31 00:17:50 UTC
just limit alcohol where it can cause a cascade failure, on broadcasted EVE TV. A lot of us don't know what is it like a fan fest and will take things out of context.

When players are leading a forum put it early in the day. Then let them get plasterd.
Let the audience get plasterd.

In response to a person saying any child can monitor their alcohol
- I am that guy who does not touch alcohol and very few people don't make a fool of them self while drunk. For example This fan fest alliance panel.
- As a person who does not drink I also have to help makes sure the drunk does not make a fool of him self.

For the event that is meant to be drunk.. like the quiz.... delay the broadcast and let a person sober review it before letting it air.


Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#57 - 2012-03-31 00:19:02 UTC
Alcohol should ALLWAYS be restriced!

It is NOT cool to get drunken till you don't know who or where you are!
It is NOT cool to show others what you have eaten last day!
It is NOT cool to brabbel like a monkey!

Just idiots drink to much!

I have nothing against a good cold beer or a tasty Irish Coffee. Even two are fine if you aren't hyper sensetive against alcohol.

BUT EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW HIS LIMITS! ALLWAYS!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!

Roh Voleto
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-03-31 00:21:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Roh Voleto
Sure, CCP should definitely restrict alcohol... pricing. Seriously, do you know what booze costs in Iceland? It's ridiculous.

I say it's time that CCP steps down, and substitutes the needs and costs for mood enhancing substances of fanfest visitors.


Edit:False friend language confusion.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#59 - 2012-03-31 00:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Alcohol should ALLWAYS be restriced!

It is NOT cool to get drunken till you don't know who or where you are!
It is NOT cool to show others what you have eaten last day!
It is NOT cool to brabbel like a monkey!

Just idiots drink to much!

I have nothing against a good cold beer or a tasty Irish Coffee. Even two are fine if you aren't hyper sensetive against alcohol.

BUT EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW HIS LIMITS! ALLWAYS!


I wouldn't object to CCP reserving the right to tell a panelist they are too drunk to present well, which would likely bring home the point that if they want to be a celebrity they need to keep themselves from going past their limits. And as I have already said, a time delay is a good idea.

However as anyone drinking at FanFest is an adult, at least by Icelandic law, beyond those common sense requirements unnecessary restrictions would do far more harm than good.

Icelandic views on what is acceptable are fine with me, and I think most people who care to watch. All that is necessary is a touch more common sense.

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Ronja Mistysdottir
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-03-31 00:43:06 UTC
I did not see members of the panel load the slides.
All the slides was loaded by CCP, and they had seen them before the show.

Also, nothing really bad was said during the debate. Some jibberish was said after the debate was over that could be questionable, at best, that the gaming press that hates EVE-Online, a bad game, started to run with.

This caused the best drama I have seen on the Internet for days on days, and everything was cool, and then for some reason people get banned, war-dec rules to change, High Sec ganking gets nerfed / called exploits, so, I wonder...

Are CCP taking my sandbox away? If so, what will be the difference between EVE and WOW / AOC? I do know a scimitar is a priest, a Hictor is a dwarf and so on, but apart from that, nothing. Eve will just be an empty void with no drama.

Eve can not live without Drama, and please, someone, tell me some dramatic stories from another MMO, because I do not think they exist.