Jita Park Speakers Corner

With out Mittens at the helm of CSM, EVE will become a boring carebear haven. I shudder to think of what will happen this year.

I wouldn't worry quite so much. Internet Spaceships Democracy is not yet in need of a regime change.

It'll not degenerate into endless mining and clothes, despite what certain people might enjoy.

Thank you for hearing

This gets tricky, doesn't it

Suicide ganking mining barges is allowed. I'm guessing that was not expected. I'm guessing the personal/emotional attacks were never expected to reach the moment they did at the fanfest presentation

So there is the issue of personal harassment and sadistic behavior. I'm not in any position to act on that

What I am doing is crying out, and standing up for the player who is on some kind of medical equipment, or half blind, or epileptic, or you name it

I would ask you to consider where such amazing, but limping members of our community can comfortably play in EVE

Goons say "nowhere". But the truth is that many miners do everything in the game and when it is time to pew pew pew, they get their crap together and go kill something. Maybe they can't get it together every day. Maybe no pvp at all

It would be great if nothing but a barge could even get into an ice field (hello, whoever has sovereignty over an ice field). That would be akin to keeping kids from bringing guns to school. But I'm not asking for that

I'm not really asking for anything. Who could ever have wished or planned or hoped for what happened? It's incredibly painful

You have been handed this moment to yourselves from yourselves. What I hope is that goon leadership have a discussion about how they affect the gaming and personal lives of their members. We know what it did to mittens

If people want and need leaders in this game, what do they get in return? They are following the example you set

What is your goal? Some say it is to destroy the game. glw

Eve is not advertised as a "SUPER SADO/MASOCHISTIC TERRORIST SPACE GAME FOR TEENS

If you have a goal that requires fighting, then fight. What kind of goal is "licking your tears?" Why do that to people who are already ill and crying and maybe hanging on; and enjoy mining so they can have some social experience? You have dehumanized players. In doing so, you have dehumanized yourselves before all of EVE

But hey! You get to. \o/

Thank you for letting me try to help. I hope I can.

You maybe heard about thing called Psychological Warfare,and while it may surprise you this is one of strongest weapons in eve,and griefing is in fact nothing else than it,even more,its not only strong but quite universal,it makes us both feared (which is offensive quality of weapon) and hated (which is defensive,because it makes our bonds towards our community stronger,while weakens the possible bonds toward rest of eve).Futhermore,you can think about ganking and griefing as about some kind of ritual of maturity within our community,because it makes that person identified with CFC culture.

As you see griefing is not some kind of perversion or social dysfuncitonal behaviour,but rational choice,both in sociological and defense scale,which im not sure of mining,because it lacks any social functions.

You show deep misunderstanding to both history and principles of eve,we dont wish to be like this,we have,and alway had to be like this in order to survive in highly competetive environment of nullsec


Because he,in his drunked state wasnt able do differenciate between behaviour which is both common and accepted between eve players (and not only cfc but broad public,watch local in any trade hub for while) or ccp (riveriny and d3 and their racist/neonazi claims in locals are okay by ccp)and behavior which is acceptable by conservative big-deal company,also he firmly belived that players can distinguish between joke,no matter how bad tasted but still joke and serious claim



What saddens me is the fact that you,in opposite to average cfc member,and our leaders clearly cant tell the difference between game and real life,and between our real personalities and our roles in eve,if you did,you will know that only responsibility of leadership is keeping the morale of pilots,not human mental hygiene
No our members are not cannon fodders because:One of aspects of being cannon fodder is the fact that cannon fodder feels betrayed by its leadership,pilots inn eve cant be forced to log and fight,and as you can see,the whole cfc in its current campaing has really big participation,which is showing completely oposite approach amongst my fellow pilots
As i explained before,it wasnt psychological warfare,but alcohol and company of like minded persons in combination with unprecended media coverage and pressure from sony on ccp what brought mittens down
Yes,we are,you know why?Because we can distinguish between the game and reality and we know that in game claims and actions are just ingame



Are you sure that you know what is sadism?Do you really think that we feel sexual arousement when we suicide gank someones ship?If yes,isnt it caused by the fact that you,in your secret fantasies think about exploding pixel spaceships?
Dont feel ashamed,its nothing wronmg with it and there is a lot of stranger sexual fetishes than fixation on internet spaceship



Well,i prefer my gf before the spaceships,but i,in opposite of you,am tolerant to the other persons behavior

my dictionary says sadism is taking joy in causing someone else to suffer.

You went for the sexual arousal, I didn't. Apparently there are various degrees. lol

You say you are using this tactic to gain fear and hatred in the game.

You say under the guise of psychological warfare you are using griefing, or "licking tears" but that is not who you really are?

I'll bite. Who are you really?

Good answer...thanks

You are correct about one thing...this is an internal goon affair going forward.

My gut feeling is that there noone is doing any happy dance (well not for more than a nanosecond) over what happened.

Game play and real life do mix, are we still riding the hobby horse that says it doesn't? All hearts are going out . You may not realize it, but all of the community is solidly behind goons in your intent to enjoy the game. Any one of us could have done this. I believe that.

Thank you all for letting me try to nudge the issue of tactics.

I accept that the old rules of sportsmanship are not gone, but not present.

I want this to be a win-win.

And off I go, like a herd of turtles.

This was my first real visit to the forums. I am encouraged!!

Byeeeee!!

P.S. I saw this remark and I did some real digging around and self reflection.

"What saddens me is the fact that you,in opposite to average cfc member,and our leaders clearly cant tell the difference between game and real life"


This is psychological warfare, the griefing is griefing.

There is no line. There is real life and you are bringing yourself to whatever you are paying attention to.

The opinion is that there is no real life and game life, just life.

Your plea that there is a difference and gaming is somehow some secret no-holds-barred magic kingdom is a lie.

Maybe you can get away with stuff in a game you can't get away with in RL...oh wait...we just sat that happen.

You are pleading a false construct.

Okay, ta ta and thank you for prompting me to settle the issue for myself. ROCK ON!!!

: ) thanks.

I just finally realized that this false construct of game vs real life is truly your psychological warfare, player on player and metagaming CCP.

Hell the whole world has bought this idea of two different worlds...

I'M FREE!!!

I bought this for some five years in EVE.

I have to give you credit for brainwashing your members and a bunch of EVE itself.

I'm FREE!!!!

Brace yourself, dood. Ready?

EVE is real.

ooOOooOOoo Prague \o/ How nice that Frank Zappa inspired the downfall of 40 years of Communist rule in your country.

Hmmmm...could there be the same kind of wakeup call in EVE as there was in Prague in the velvet revolution?

Screw the Cult of Eternal Suffering!! EVE is real! Come out into the sun! Let's dance!!

Every game is real and real people play them...really.

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