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[Proposal] Revamp Black Ops Ships; Make them usefull

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#21 - 2011-09-22 22:32:41 UTC
Expanding on some of the ideas presented here:

- They definitely need to have at least as good a tank as their T1 counterpart. no amount of bonuses will be compelling if they're too fragile to be put into action.

- I love the idea of a ship maintenance array. I'd take it another step and make it large enough to hold a single frigate, allowing one pilot to swap between a bomber and a covops as needed. This makes a small blops gang a lot more versatile and gives another reason to put a black ops ship in the field.

- Negate the scan res penalty of fitting a cloak. This might be done just by giving the ship a scan res bonus, making a non-cloaky one useful in its ability to rapidly target smaller ships.

- Fuel/range changes sound good, but definitely need careful consideration to avoid overpowering the ship.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#22 - 2011-09-30 13:26:49 UTC
fix pls
RRNL
Perkone
#23 - 2011-10-14 09:20:53 UTC
bump
Astor Daeoli
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-14 15:03:48 UTC
I approve of OP post
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#25 - 2011-10-24 19:52:08 UTC
i woulve to see this fixed
Hemmo Paskiainen
#26 - 2011-11-17 21:36:58 UTC
bump

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Miss President
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
#27 - 2011-11-18 00:25:20 UTC
disagree with panther drone bay reduction, panther is based on typhoon - drones all the way.

If you don't have you drones trained, don't whine. Typhoon platform is know for being skills intensive and versatile, including, turrents, cruise, torpes and drones.

don't mess with that

Otherwise, Blackops needs a boost - just no covops cloak.
Wrath IX
islaw inc.
#28 - 2011-11-20 20:05:13 UTC
Here is my Idea on how to give the Black ops more love.

change the way the Black Ops Covert Cyno Bridge works.

Allow these ships to be able to bridge any ship in fleet with them through the covert cyno, excluding capital ships.

This makes it so that they have a clearly defined role or bridging the rest of the fleet quietly into a system for rapid deployment of non-cap ships into a system.

this opens the door for new strategic uses for the Covert Cyno and Covert Cyno Bridge which would dramatically increase their value on the battlefield without much of a major overhaul in the ships themselves

but thats just my two cents
Hemmo Paskiainen
#29 - 2011-11-24 21:48:33 UTC
bump

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Hemmo Paskiainen
#30 - 2011-12-05 21:29:35 UTC
bumpies

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
codenemisis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-12-07 20:50:34 UTC
Bump, started training for black ops the moment I started EVE. Quit training several months in after realizing they were useless; would like those SP to go to something useful...
D'Ragin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-01-15 11:41:02 UTC
bump
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#33 - 2012-01-15 14:41:36 UTC
I would just like to point out, that 99% of everybody here would like to see the BO boosted in terms of PvP.

From a making isk & logistical perspective, these ships work wonderfully as they are. Sneaking into enemy lines with transports and recon gangs, scanning down sites, jewing lewt and jump out with boat loads of the stuff.

Yes I would like to see these ships get some love, but when will we stop demanding that love only effect those aspects of Eve that allow you to kill and destroy?

We need some more non killing game play focused ships.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#34 - 2012-01-15 15:33:31 UTC
They are usefull, not need changes.
D'Ragin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-15 20:00:42 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
They are usefull, not need changes.


you are alone with that point of view.

a 700ish mil battleship that is useful for almost nothing and can bridge like 3 systems at best.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#36 - 2012-01-15 20:32:23 UTC
D'Ragin wrote:
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
They are usefull, not need changes.


you are alone with that point of view.

a 700ish mil battleship that is useful for almost nothing and can bridge like 3 systems at best.


I've made billions of isk with that useless ship grinding sigs in soviet mordor with some alts in recons and transies.

I've even hotdropped with those ships and on a regular occasion, bridge transport fleets for minor hauling ops through low sec and 0.0.

So no, I share his view.

What you want is a 700 mil titan wannabe wtfownmobile that only works in PvP.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Arbiter Reformed
I Have a Plan
Shadow Cartel
#37 - 2012-01-16 01:56:46 UTC
panther speed bonus would be epic if it could actually go fast, it needs to be like 700ms faster
D'Ragin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-01-16 05:34:01 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
I've made billions of isk with that useless ship grinding sigs in soviet mordor with some alts in recons and transies.

I've even hotdropped with those ships and on a regular occasion, bridge transport fleets for minor hauling ops through low sec and 0.0.

So no, I share his view.

What you want is a 700 mil titan wannabe wtfownmobile that only works in PvP.


If i wanted a wtfpwnmobile I could get one for much less than 700mil thats for sure.
What else can I get that costs 700 mil?
A carrier hull, almost 4x Tier 3 bs hulls, a fully fitted T3 cruiser, 21 hurricanes, 20 drakes...


What I and a vast majority of people want is a ship that is worth what it costs.

I want a ship that can bridge a pvp force a valuable distance, somewhat defend itself (eg not like the sin which is just a bus driver), can be self sufficient enough to covertly deploy a gang of 10-20 bombers/recons deep into hostile territory all without needing a fuel truck in support.

How I think that it can be achieved is though what most people have been preaching:
Bigger fuel bay, longer jump/bridge range, better resists, cov ops cloak.





This is not about one ship to rule them all (may as well continue with the LOTR theme), but a ship that is worth using/loosing rather than the least flown ship in the game.

And the answer for this has nothing to do with an invisible local list so lets steer clear of that other topic.
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#39 - 2012-01-16 11:28:35 UTC
D'Ragin wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
I've made billions of isk with that useless ship grinding sigs in soviet mordor with some alts in recons and transies.

I've even hotdropped with those ships and on a regular occasion, bridge transport fleets for minor hauling ops through low sec and 0.0.

So no, I share his view.

What you want is a 700 mil titan wannabe wtfownmobile that only works in PvP.


If i wanted a wtfpwnmobile I could get one for much less than 700mil thats for sure.
What else can I get that costs 700 mil?
A carrier hull, almost 4x Tier 3 bs hulls, a fully fitted T3 cruiser, 21 hurricanes, 20 drakes...


What I and a vast majority of people want is a ship that is worth what it costs.

I want a ship that can bridge a pvp force a valuable distance, somewhat defend itself (eg not like the sin which is just a bus driver), can be self sufficient enough to covertly deploy a gang of 10-20 bombers/recons deep into hostile territory all without needing a fuel truck in support.

How I think that it can be achieved is though what most people have been preaching:
Bigger fuel bay, longer jump/bridge range, better resists, cov ops cloak.





This is not about one ship to rule them all (may as well continue with the LOTR theme), but a ship that is worth using/loosing rather than the least flown ship in the game.

And the answer for this has nothing to do with an invisible local list so lets steer clear of that other topic.


Not need another i win button for cloak user persons.
Be a man and fight as a man. Not need range buffs for blackops. That's fine already.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#40 - 2012-01-16 12:15:22 UTC
Clovert cloak is only a IWIN button if the ship gets nullified. Decloaking a battleship with covert cloak in a bubble is realy easy. To avoid it you need a alt and cyno L5 trained (60Days skill minimum (Cyno l5 + recon/covop)). It is not Iwin, besides that a good fitted loki can covop + nulli fied with 55k efhp & 479 racial dps..... It is not Iwin

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
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