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The coming war on used games sales!

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Whitehound
#21 - 2012-04-01 08:12:18 UTC
Kessiaan wrote:
It's not about you. When you buy games the devs/publishers don't get a cut. The people pushing this would actually prefer you buy less games but they're new.

Given the huge success of Steam on the PC it's been obvious for years that consoles would try to move to a similar model.

As for the car analogy, a car is a physical product. A game exists purely as information, the media it comes on isn't relevant. The only way to 'own' software of any sort is to steal it and it's always been like that.

Sure it is about me, but this is not the point...

Steam does not have success. It may seem so, but Steam is like the big graveyard of games and game makers and only in this role does it have success. Skyrim is currently the best example. The Elderscrolls series is not going anywhere, or maybe it does (it is going places...), but at least the PC market has lost in interest to Bethesda. They now want a piece of the console market and the series has changed to adjust for it. So while Skyrim sells well and finds many fans on the consoles has the PC part been dumped onto Steam for a little bit of extra cash. It is then entirely the success of Bethesda, but not that of Steam. Steam just can say that it is the best selling title ever. It shows how little they actually sold in the past, but of course you will not hear them say that.

If Bethesda had not created the console versions of Skyrim, but only a PC version that is meant to be sold over Steam then I would have predicted an end of the series. Bethesda themselves are also selling more titles now and have become a bit of a games distributor next to being a game maker. And, btw, every forum thread on Steam gets immediately choked by Bethesda's forum moderators. PC players still hate Steam and Skyrim will not change it...

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-04-01 11:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Whitehound wrote:

Sure it is about me, but this is not the point...

Steam does not have success. It may seem so, but Steam is like the big graveyard of games and game makers and only in this role does it have success. Skyrim is currently the best example. The Elderscrolls series is not going anywhere, or maybe it does (it is going places...), but at least the PC market has lost in interest to Bethesda. They now want a piece of the console market and the series has changed to adjust for it. So while Skyrim sells well and finds many fans on the consoles has the PC part been dumped onto Steam for a little bit of extra cash. It is then entirely the success of Bethesda, but not that of Steam. Steam just can say that it is the best selling title ever. It shows how little they actually sold in the past, but of course you will not hear them say that.

If Bethesda had not created the console versions of Skyrim, but only a PC version that is meant to be sold over Steam then I would have predicted an end of the series. Bethesda themselves are also selling more titles now and have become a bit of a games distributor next to being a game maker. And, btw, every forum thread on Steam gets immediately choked by Bethesda's forum moderators. PC players still hate Steam and Skyrim will not change it...


So much misinformation in such a little post.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed.
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-01 15:03:34 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
So much misinformation in such a little post.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed.


I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he either wasn't here or doesn't remember the 10 years preceeding Steam of ******, unreliable DRM and not being able to find legit copies anyway because stores quit stocking PC games that didn't have the word Blizzard on them. It got huge for a reason you know.

Steam is the reason we still have AAA games on PC. I think the model could work on consoles too without causing a mass revolt but only if they price old games comparably to used like most games are on Steam. Which I doubt will happen so it'll be interesting.
Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
#24 - 2012-04-02 01:02:17 UTC
God damn folks, remember when the Xbox network got rolling with the 360 and finally small time publishers started releasing 5 dollar games on their network? This is what's good about this, I enjoy some of those cheap and crap graphic games you download for 5-10 bucks on my 360 and Steam offers a few of them too.

Not to mention, I am a total war fan. My old Rome Total war discs got old and started ******* up on me so I repurchased the DL version on steam for dirt ass cheap. There is no way in hell anyone here is gonna make me feel bad about this.

Do I wish I could transfer my games from steam to a USB and give em away to a friend? Yes, I don't play Medievil Total war 2 and have a coworker who wants to play but can't find it anywhere. Is that a reason to cry? No, because consumer demand and technology will catch up when D2D gaming becomes more common.

I miss VHS, CDs and ROM cartridges too but things change.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-04-02 04:13:17 UTC
Kessiaan wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
So much misinformation in such a little post.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed.


I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he either wasn't here or doesn't remember the 10 years preceeding Steam of ******, unreliable DRM and not being able to find legit copies anyway because stores quit stocking PC games that didn't have the word Blizzard on them. It got huge for a reason you know.

Steam is the reason we still have AAA games on PC. I think the model could work on consoles too without causing a mass revolt but only if they price old games comparably to used like most games are on Steam. Which I doubt will happen so it'll be interesting.


Steam pretty much saved PC gaming, I don't see why people hate it either. Sure it is DRM but its not as bad as most and the games are always a good price.

Even new AAA releases are often cheaper on Steam than going to a crappy brick and mortar retailer that probably wont even stock it. Steam could use some more competition though.
Whitehound
#26 - 2012-04-02 07:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
So much misinformation in such a little post.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed.

I am playing computer games for more than 25 years now.

What you do is to point at Steam's own statistics. You only spread their propaganda and it makes you a silly fanboy. For all you know could you have been raised by Jehovah witnesses and now spread their believes at every door, because it is all you were allowed to know...

Players have been forced by game makers to use Steam and so they now do. You may only be too young to know what it means to buy games in a real store. You know, where you have to get up and leave your basement? Of course you think it is an improvement, but there was a time when you could return a game that you did not like or that did not work and got your money back.

Players used to have rights and they have been ripped off of their rights with the click of a mouse button. Chances are you only cannot not care, because you did not have to work to get the money for your games and it was given to you by grandma and grandpa.

Take a good look at your link. You think Counter Strike is in there because of Steam? You think Skyrim is in there because of them? And who the hell plays this cartoon of a game called Team Fortress anyway? Lol And Football Manager...

And, yes, EVE Online gets sold over Steam with 30 days of game time for $14.99. A great deal but only for those too dumb to play the 14-day trail and then to decide to buy GTCs or a subscription.

Steam is moist air. Inhale it, it is good four your lounges.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-04-02 08:46:25 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
I am playing computer games for more than 25 years now.


Doing something for a long time does not make you better at it or improve the accuracy or quality of your opinions.

Whitehound wrote:
Players have been forced by game makers to use Steam and so they now do.


I might have missed the news reports but I am sure game publishers going into peoples houses and forcing them to buy their games would have been widespread knowledge.

Whitehound wrote:
You may only be too young to know what it means to buy games in a real store. You know, where you have to get up and leave your basement? Of course you think it is an improvement, but there was a time when you could return a game that you did not like or that did not work and got your money back.

Players used to have rights and they have been ripped off of their rights with the click of a mouse button. Chances are you only cannot not care, because you did not have to work to get the money for your games and it was given to you by grandma and grandpa.


The word assumptions begins with ass, FYI I am 32, wealthy and we don't have many basements in England. Besides get with the times grandpa, you go into a store to buy a retail box? I guess you like getting ****** in the ass by the ****** retail chains, most of which are slowly dying anyway. Online retailers are the best way to buy a retail box.

You still have your rights, you have the rights not to buy a product and you still have the rights to return a defective product. Having a plastic disk doesn't mean anything and it doesn't give you any extra rights.

Just because you don't like digital distribution it doesn't make it bad.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-04-02 09:01:43 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/29/the-coming-war-on-used-games/

A nice article on the subject. It seems more likely that all next gen consoles will push to kill used game sales. PC has this problem already big time as does other platforms, Microsoft are going to go nuts with WIndows 8 and try yet again to sell us their **** that they could not do with Windows Vista (they also ran into legal problems that time.)

I find this amusing and crazy at the same time, even starting to feel that developers and publishers are being self entitled pricks much like Hollywood and the Music industry is.

I got sick of hearing their excuses of crippling my games due to "piracy" ages ago and now they are going to target legal right of the consumer that we have when it comes to anything else. I always laugh when reading EULA's knowing they are not a signed contract where I live and by law I can crack and copy even a console game under fair use.

So, no used sales anymore? I figured it would happen sooner or later but the model they will push I am sure will be option 2 as detailed in that article.

In any case, does anyone actually want to buy a next gen console in 1 to 2 years from now sporting hardware worse than what PC's have today for another 7 year generation of rehashed games with no better graphics than Crysis 1 on PC released in 2007???

When will they learn. I have a hard time believing any gaming designated console could work in a year from now.

So what are your thoughts? Looking forward to more DRM? Being unable to take a game over to a friend and play? Lend, rent or even resell your copies? Are we evil for expecting to own a product we purchase and is Gamestop killing the industry?


I don't really care about used games or not. Any platform now a days that do not support pure digital distribution of games is a weak platform. I don't want to have to grab a physical disc just to play a game. I should not need to grab a physical disc.

And of course, "used" games on a pure digital distribution does not make any sense.

Steam got it right, and I am still surprised that nobody has really followed their example.
Whitehound
#29 - 2012-04-02 09:09:43 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Doing something for a long time does not make you better at it ...

Yes, it does. It only is not true for everything.

Quote:
... Just because you don't like digital distribution it doesn't make it bad.

Who says I do not like it? The word assumptions comes to mind indeed... You only assume I do.

It is about being forced to use it and having no other choice. Skewing this little detail is typical for a fanatic. And there is no point in telling a noob that he is dumb nor in helping those who live in denial.

People have said that a CD or DVD can get scratched and break. Yet have game makers always replaced them if you only asked for it. With Steam come new problems and it is overall no way better.

Try coming with facts. There are none you can find, are there?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
#30 - 2012-04-02 09:11:27 UTC
Why is the saling of used products only a problem for game companies (afaik)? Shouldn't this bother music and movie industry as well? People seem to not like to keep games after they played them.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-04-02 11:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Whitehound wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Doing something for a long time does not make you better at it ...

Yes, it does. It only is not true for everything.

Quote:
... Just because you don't like digital distribution it doesn't make it bad.

Who says I do not like it? The word assumptions comes to mind indeed... You only assume I do.

It is about being forced to use it and having no other choice. Skewing this little detail is typical for a fanatic. And there is no point in telling a noob that he is dumb nor in helping those who live in denial.

People have said that a CD or DVD can get scratched and break. Yet have game makers always replaced them if you only asked for it. With Steam come new problems and it is overall no way better.

Try coming with facts. There are none you can find, are there?


You can tell you don't like it by your opinion led vitriol. As for facts how about the simple fact that digital distribution overtook retail box sales? For years sales of PC games dropped, yet digital distribution turned that around and led to an overall increase in PC sales. Really don't try the facts tactic either, you are just ranting. I linked the daily PCU stats for Steam, yet you still claim its not a success.

Noone is forcing you to use it either, you are choosing to buy the games. You are simply a fossil that doesn't want to move with the times. That happens, some people always find fault with progress. Yet you seem to focus on the one thing that's good for PC gaming instead of all the things that are genuinely a problem.

Steam has millions of users, it is also better value than high street retailers and Valve are a consumer friendly company. If you can disprove that with anything other than "booo hooo I dont like it" please do.
Whitehound
#32 - 2012-04-02 12:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
...As for facts how about the simple fact that digital distribution overtook retail box sales? For years sales of PC games dropped, yet digital distribution turned that around and led to an overall increase in PC sales. Really don't try the facts tactic either, you are just ranting. I linked the daily PCU stats for Steam, yet you still claim its not a success.

Noone is forcing you to use it either, you are choosing to buy the games. You are simply a fossil that doesn't want to move with the times. That happens, some people always find fault with progress. Yet you seem to focus on the one thing that's good for PC gaming instead of all the things that are genuinely a problem.

Steam has millions of users, it is also better value than high street retailers and Valve are a consumer friendly company. If you can disprove that with anything other than "booo hooo I dont like it" please do.

The overall sales did not climb because of Steam and the box sales dropped because we are forced to buy with Steam. It is almost like a centralized economy in a socialistic regim where every distribution is controlled by one central organization! If anything it is because of the graphics card makers pushing their hardware further and helping each game maker to make the best use of it that there are still good games for the PC out there. And you can choose between Nvidia and ATI, because there is a competition. Without them would we still be looking at 2D games. Without Steam do we not lose anything and you could still buy your game in a shop like you buy milk and bread. There is the difference.

I do buy games in shops, still, and I sometimes buy with Amazon. I download patches from websites and I play EVE of course. There is not much difference to what Steam offers. Steam however reserve themselves the right not to provide you with their service and to withdraw or disable the crap you bought with them. And you want me to be grateful for that??

If I am a fossil then you are an overgrown baby crying for its mother to get her breast out. Keep sucking Steam... You only have no opinion.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-04-02 12:58:21 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
The overall sales did not climb because of Steam and the box sales dropped because we are forced to buy with Steam.


Prove that.

Whitehound wrote:
You only have no opinion.


I have plenty of opinion, and I also know what a subjective opinion actually is. But its OK grandpa, you dont have to like the evil digital distribution like the young whippersnappers.

Whitehound
#34 - 2012-04-02 14:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Prove that. ...

I have plenty of opinion, and I also know what a subjective opinion actually is. But its OK grandpa, you dont have to like the evil digital distribution like the young whippersnappers.

No, you prove it to me, because you think it is the opposite! And you know you cannot prove it...

You then have plenty opinion of yourself, but you have no experience with what is happening here. You simply think it is wonderful to a click a button and get a game. How can such a company be bad, right? It is simply unbelievable to you. What you do not yet see, and maybe never will, is that you are not more than a dumb cashcow.

Where there is no competition, and where others decide for you, will there be no good.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-04-02 14:59:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Whitehound wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Prove that. ...

I have plenty of opinion, and I also know what a subjective opinion actually is. But its OK grandpa, you dont have to like the evil digital distribution like the young whippersnappers.

No, you prove it to me, because you think it is the opposite! And you know you cannot prove it...


Of course you cannot prove it, it does not even make sense. "People stopped buying retail PC games because of Steam" is so ******** in the face if of an increase in sales via digital distribution. Here are some sources.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Steam-Reports-100-Percent-Increase-in-Sales-in-2011-245290.shtml
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112419-GameStop-Sales-Down-But-Digital-Skyrockets
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-19-ea-origin-has-over-5m-daily-users
http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/17/gamestop-digital-sales-increase-59-percent-in-third-quarter

Whitehound wrote:
but you have no experience with what is happening here. You simply think it is wonderful to a click a button and get a game. How can such a company be bad, right? It is simply unbelievable to you. What you do not yet see, and maybe never will, is that you are not more than a dumb cashcow.


You have no experience of "what is happening here" because you are completely failing to see how owning a box and piece of plastic will not protect your consumer rights.

It will not protect you from a badly made game, or a crap game and are more likely to come with offensive DRM with install activation limits. A box will not stop publishers from only giving you half a game and then selling the rest via DLC. Neither will a box stop publishers from reskinning the same cloned game over and over.

Those issues are hurting gaming, digital distribution is saving it.
Whitehound
#36 - 2012-04-02 16:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound

This is not proof, Jhagiti. The press can write whatever they want without needing to proof it. They often just pick up the press releases of the companies and print them. Who then is GameStop? I never heard of them. And what about Amazon, how do their sales do? See? You do not have the full picture. You only googled a few links up.
Quote:
You have no experience of "what is happening here" ... Those issues are hurting gaming, digital distribution is saving it.

I am telling you about it. I already told you that you are not the owner any more. Not only have you lost your right to own something of value, but Steam reserves themselves the right to turn all your games off! Technically is it not more than a lease. I also said that you cannot return anything and will not get your money back. Nor do you posses anything of value, because you are not allowed to sell it. If you do then they it will have consequences.

It is couch potatoes, who cannot get up and who need everything delivered into their house, who pay only on credit while they own nothing to cover for it, who then see this as being a good thing and embrace it. They already have nothing to lose and the money they use to pay for it is not theirs either. Why should they care? They are not going to care about values when they posses none. Everyone else who owns their own property, their own house, their own car and with a positive bank account will not like it. People like choices and they like to posses things of value and of quality. They also like to pass it on and like to sell it.

You can have digital distribution. We had it long before Steam. DRM is not new either, but to me it is only another form of copy protection. Embracing Steam and their politics is what creates the problems. Who then do you think gives you a right to complain to a game maker about the quality of a game when you have given up on its values? Nobody.

We still have many games that are not being sold through Steam and we still have choices and as long as I have this choice will I avoid Steam games. I have ever only bought two games over Steam and plenty of others in shops or online ... or it is an MMO.

You keep loving and hugging Steam.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
#37 - 2012-04-02 16:22:56 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
So much misinformation in such a little post.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

I think that speaks for itself, Steam not a success indeed.

I am playing computer games for more than 25 years now.

What you do is to point at Steam's own statistics. You only spread their propaganda and it makes you a silly fanboy. For all you know could you have been raised by Jehovah witnesses and now spread their believes at every door, because it is all you were allowed to know...

Players have been forced by game makers to use Steam and so they now do. You may only be too young to know what it means to buy games in a real store. You know, where you have to get up and leave your basement? Of course you think it is an improvement, but there was a time when you could return a game that you did not like or that did not work and got your money back.

Players used to have rights and they have been ripped off of their rights with the click of a mouse button. Chances are you only cannot not care, because you did not have to work to get the money for your games and it was given to you by grandma and grandpa.

Take a good look at your link. You think Counter Strike is in there because of Steam? You think Skyrim is in there because of them? And who the hell plays this cartoon of a game called Team Fortress anyway? Lol And Football Manager...

And, yes, EVE Online gets sold over Steam with 30 days of game time for $14.99. A great deal but only for those too dumb to play the 14-day trail and then to decide to buy GTCs or a subscription.

Steam is moist air. Inhale it, it is good four your lounges.



You totally have nothing to add other than a hatred of Steam. Steam is a solid network and has decent customer service and customer options for how young it is. I have been playing video games on consoles and pc for a long ass time and I'm sorry bro your rantings are just childish and illogical.

Discs are inferior to digital downloading, cheaper to distribute, develop and upgrade. That's why games offer more addons, like Grand theft auto or various FPS. You just download the extra content and it's ready to roll.

We sit in a period of changing technology in the gaming community. Sorry, but the days of discs are going the way of ROM carts or floppy discs.
Whitehound
#38 - 2012-04-02 16:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Jon Engel wrote:
You totally have nothing to add ...

Hate me, but it changes nothing. All I write is the truth and it is too inconvenient for you to understand.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#39 - 2012-04-02 18:26:45 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:


OP has a point, used games for PC have almost disappeared over the last five years, DRM, limited install limits and digital distribution have steadily killed them off. Used games for platforms like Android/iOS and "casual" games simply don't exist.

Used games on consoles have also become more problematic with things like online passes.

Only games I've ever had to deal with online passes on the console is with games from EA.

I hate them.


THIS!!!! OMFG THIS! ...

I still don't know when, but about 3 or 4 years ago I decided to never buy ANYTHING EA related ... unless it was on STEAM and at around 9.99$ and they only carry old EA stuff. The games that used to be good.

I totally wish virtual poxes upon them from the core of my emo-geek soul.



With a few exceptions, games are a lot cheaper. I have a coworker who is always bragging on how little he paid for his newest game on Steam.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#40 - 2012-04-03 00:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
... how little he paid for his newest game on Steam.



(Stuff about evilness of digital media blah blah)

Reply

Yes, ironic how in this thread some people complain this or that and talk about age (we are mostly old geezers here) and say STEAM IS TEH DEVILLLL and yet, I buy through STEAM np from LatinAmerica and they take my $$$ as I buy heaps of games that sell physically on my local gaming stores for over 50$ , for usually 4.99$ or 9.99$ or Cthulhu forbids the sometimes tempting 14.99$ mega pack that has all DLC

Anyone that hates STEAM is just holding to an opinion regarded as fact justified by the "loss" of who knows what imaginary rights or just dont have the money, or simply hate it for the sake of hating it. No matter the angle Digital Distribution is more efficient.

You can always pirate the game off the net for 0$ value if you care that much about money and your rights and whatnot and fight the establishment (more power to you, whatever).

I use STEAM for the fact it gives me a lot of games for cheapz in an easily movable platform (I travel a lot between countries) and a consolidated library is the most neat thing ever

Anyone complaining of having your games "turned off" can easily if paranoid enough backup the steam client with all your games into a HD and dump them into another puter and play in OFFLINE mode unless you wanna load up a MMO or Online FPS

I have done it and usually carry a copy of my most played games and play them in offline mode when I travel to certain countries that usually dont have easy to get/fast enough internet access (like some places in Venezuela

If for some reason I get my account banned for anything only thing I will never be ever to play (for a while at least) might be ... what? TF2? You can get a working copy of any game out there for free without any real hassle too

If I "lease" a game and have the data already on an external HD how is that different from having it in a physical retail copy? Is the Physical copy going to give me a sensual back rub with the included manual

I can play (and usually do) Fallout 3 for example in a crapped out laptop with no net that I carry around sometimes. It launches the STEAM shell and goes into offline mode.

Also with the new Mobile App from STEAM you can buy anything anywhere or chat with your friends, thats the whole social aspect of STEAM I totally love as most of my friends are so spread out in the world I can only keep up with them through STEAM and other social apps.

I must be dumb too, since Im the guy that gives my friends on their Bdays and special days as gifts PC games that cost me usually less than the phone call I might give them charging me long distance charges (yes, not everyone seems to like Skype), but yes, I throw PILES OF MONEY (like 20$ every few months THE HORROR!) at STEAM for taking away my rights.

Honestly, I'm more afraid of my country's political instability, crime, theft, civil war , lack of proper medical facilities, polluted tap water, fear of expropriation from government agencies of my lawfully bought lands and houses, stray bullets and weird diseases from badly treated foodstuffs in the countries I live than the imaginary rights of "possession" of a crap game I paid 5 bucks for "legally" through a digital platform distributor

Some people priorities in the Maslow Pyramid here are really odd

Anyway ..

We need MORE DIGITAL distribution platforms

Honestly, I even work in a project where we are replacing physical money for debit cards with chips that are asy to carry and charge (when using our products/services and people here complained about "OMG we cant USE MONEY WHY YOU EVIL PEOPLE!!!! YOU SCAMMERS taking away our rights BLAH BLAH BLAH" and after a while everyone got used to it and the process is faster, people seem to be so resistant to change, and not change for the sake of change, but change to make everything more efficient and faster )

If it were up to me (and we had the capability to create a singularity of sorts) we would have gone 100% digital ages ago. Physical stuff is overrated.

And if the world collapses green bills/coins and GOLD will be as valuable as heaps of HDs ... well perhaps the bills will be good for kindling. And if for some reason gold becomes the standard after the complete collapse of the old monetary system, really, I don't think trading DVDs or CDs off will net you enough

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