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[RSS] Exploit notification: "Boomerang" - avoiding CONCORD in high security space

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Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
#101 - 2012-03-30 20:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoloft Rx
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I am not sure I understand this right...

Attack someone. Get a GCC. Manage to warp away escaping CONCORD. Considered an exploit?

If this is true...how does it make any kind of logical sense at all that escaping the police is an exploit?


It needs to be about how many shots off can you manage before the police arrive. Not whether or not you can escape them.
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-03-30 20:18:06 UTC
The way this is written, is now against the rules to warp from gate to gate in high-sec with a Sec Status of -10, since that is running from CONCORD.

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).
Prince Kobol
#103 - 2012-03-30 20:19:17 UTC
Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:
The way this is written, is now against the rules to warp from gate to gate in high-sec with a Sec Status of -10, since that is running from CONCORD.


Erm, Thats not concord, thats the Faction Police
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#104 - 2012-03-30 20:21:40 UTC
-10 is not the same as GCC and does not have the same consequences. Which I am sure any -10 knows, so no risk of misunderstandings there. ;)
Stabs McShiv
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-03-30 20:28:18 UTC
Remove concord allow caps in hisec and allow wardecs on npc corps just give noobs a 14 day immunity to player negative effects (warp scram, damage, ewar etc) for the duration of their trial. Npc police should enforce law in their space. Concord is a lazy fix for a non problem.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#106 - 2012-03-30 20:30:44 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
-10 is not the same as GCC and does not have the same consequences. Which I am sure any -10 knows, so no risk of misunderstandings there. ;)

What if I acquire a GCC in low-sec and then jump into high-sec? Am I obligated to sit still after emerging from the gate until CONCORD kills my ship?

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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-03-30 20:37:58 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:
just curious, what happens if you self-destruct before concord gets there?


It takes 2min to auto-destruct.. Concord always responds before that..
Xiaodown
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-03-30 20:41:25 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Arkady Vachon wrote:
just curious, what happens if you self-destruct before concord gets there?


It takes 2min to auto-destruct.. Concord always responds before that..


What about initiate self destruct, then blap someone with 10 secs left? Is that possible? I don't often self destruct.
Shar Tegral
#109 - 2012-03-30 20:41:38 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
TBH, Concord should be a player profession where the cop-players fly the concord ships and they get to chase us baddies.Pirate

WHOOP WHOOP! SPACE POLICE!

Actually I suggest the removal of custom officers and letting FW pilots take over the job.
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2012-03-30 20:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nedes Betternaem
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
-10 is not the same as GCC and does not have the same consequences. Which I am sure any -10 knows, so no risk of misunderstandings there. ;)

What if I acquire a GCC in low-sec and then jump into high-sec? Am I obligated to sit still after emerging from the gate until CONCORD kills my ship?

no... however if you are enough of a moron to jump into highsec with a GCC for no reason, then who the hell cares if you wait for CONCORD, no one is going to petition that so its a moot point. If you are pursuing a target into highsec and immediately start the boomerang tornado strategy, then yes, you deserve a ban.
Siiee
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-03-30 21:04:55 UTC
There are two elements in a so called "Sand-box" and the former does not trump the latter. It's CCPs job to maintain the box, and it is absolutely hilarious to listen to those that are out digging in the neighbors lawn complain about the sand.

They had better hope that in forcing CCP to fix loopholes in their mechanics that other currently valid tactics don't get swept up with the rest, all because they couldn't control themselves and their entitlement.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#112 - 2012-03-30 21:06:01 UTC
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
-10 is not the same as GCC and does not have the same consequences. Which I am sure any -10 knows, so no risk of misunderstandings there. ;)

What if I acquire a GCC in low-sec and then jump into high-sec? Am I obligated to sit still after emerging from the gate until CONCORD kills my ship?

no... however if you are enough of a moron to jump into highsec with a GCC for no reason, then who the hell cares if you wait for CONCORD, no one is going to petition that so its a moot point. If you are pursuing a target into highsec and immediately start the boomerang tornado strategy, then yes, you deserve a ban.

I get a GCC in low-sec, then go to high-sec to perform a suicide-gank. On one hand, I haven't attacked anyone in high-sec to receive a CONCORD response. On the other, CONCORD is already "interested" in me the second I jump in. The new rules essentially disallow me from performing any actions after I make the jump, even though I've performed no action which obligated me to stay "on grid."

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Zleon Leigh
#113 - 2012-03-30 21:34:10 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
-10 is not the same as GCC and does not have the same consequences. Which I am sure any -10 knows, so no risk of misunderstandings there. ;)

What if I acquire a GCC in low-sec and then jump into high-sec? Am I obligated to sit still after emerging from the gate until CONCORD kills my ship?

no... however if you are enough of a moron to jump into highsec with a GCC for no reason, then who the hell cares if you wait for CONCORD, no one is going to petition that so its a moot point. If you are pursuing a target into highsec and immediately start the boomerang tornado strategy, then yes, you deserve a ban.

I get a GCC in low-sec, then go to high-sec to perform a suicide-gank. On one hand, I haven't attacked anyone in high-sec to receive a CONCORD response. On the other, CONCORD is already "interested" in me the second I jump in. The new rules essentially disallow me from performing any actions after I make the jump, even though I've performed no action which obligated me to stay "on grid."


Someone is twisting your arm to make you go into HiSec? Shame on them!

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

PvP's latest  incentive program ** Unified Inventory **  'Cause you gotta kill something after trying to use it
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2012-03-30 21:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nedes Betternaem
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
-10 is not the same as GCC and does not have the same consequences. Which I am sure any -10 knows, so no risk of misunderstandings there. ;)

What if I acquire a GCC in low-sec and then jump into high-sec? Am I obligated to sit still after emerging from the gate until CONCORD kills my ship?

no... however if you are enough of a moron to jump into highsec with a GCC for no reason, then who the hell cares if you wait for CONCORD, no one is going to petition that so its a moot point. If you are pursuing a target into highsec and immediately start the boomerang tornado strategy, then yes, you deserve a ban.

I get a GCC in low-sec, then go to high-sec to perform a suicide-gank. On one hand, I haven't attacked anyone in high-sec to receive a CONCORD response. On the other, CONCORD is already "interested" in me the second I jump in. The new rules essentially disallow me from performing any actions after I make the jump, even though I've performed no action which obligated me to stay "on grid."

Then wait til the GCC wears off... you would be an idiot to go into highsec with a GCC and if you do, you deserve to get killed for your impatience/stupidity. Warping around the grid to avoid CONCORD is exploiting.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#115 - 2012-03-30 22:37:51 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say this violates the "spirit of the law". Perhaps you should change the law as follows:

After obtaining GCC and killing someone, it is mandatory for a player to offline all modules, bring their ship to a complete stop, and assume the position.

I think this would get rid of any and all ambiguity.

Well at least doing that probably won't get you banned Big smile

It never ceases to amaze me just how far some people will go to see what they can get away with. If you don't walk the line, then you won't be in danger of crossing it!

My Interpretation follows:

Evading CONCORD has always been ban worthy. Warping around is evasion, even if temporary, regardless of whether it is ultimately successful or not.

The penalty for GCC has always been to lose the offending ship. Switching ships or removing valuables is a clear attempt to reduce the penalty, so I can't imagine how anybody would expect that to be acceptable.

Getting an off-grid kill after evading CONCORD also seems like an attempt to reduce the penalty: two or more offences for the price of one.

There is nothing wrong with multiple kills per offence (example: smartbombs, multiple volleys), if you don't have to evade CONCORD (warp around) to do it.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-03-30 22:39:03 UTC
ITT we learn that some EVE players very stupidly believe that they know more about the rules than a GM does.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#117 - 2012-03-30 22:52:47 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


I wouldn't push the point on this, it has already been brought up at FanFest that they are considering just saying screw it and instituting a "death ray" that simply pops the aggressor within a specific time frame regardless of what other clever actions he may try to take.

Don't give them more reason to pursue that line of thinking.


Yay who doesn't like a death-ray??

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Panda Name
The Chatsubo
#118 - 2012-03-30 23:00:07 UTC
what a bad ruling. oh well. ping pong is over.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#119 - 2012-03-30 23:03:34 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
There is nothing wrong with multiple kills per offence (example: smartbombs, multiple volleys), if you don't have to evade CONCORD (warp around) to do it.

Be careful, you might give them new ideas for "re-balancing."

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2012-03-30 23:07:25 UTC
We do you continue to bother with Concord shenanigans at this point? The moment someone gets a GCC, just blow their ship up. No space lasers from nowhere, no spawning a bunch of lag inducing NPCs to blap you. Just boom, gone.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.