EVE General Discussion

Keep crying.. Maybe if you yell and stomp your feet loud enough CCP might listen to you.

You can't remove the ability to access fitting services when in combat because that affects more then hi-sec. It would affect low-sec and nul where people use fitting services in combat all the time. And making it an exploit ruins those tactics. Get out of your little safe world and HTFU.

I understand that some people may not like a GM having the right to make a judgement call, but this is something that is also necessary. No set of rules can be held up by the letter of the law. Once you only use the letter of the law you have only 2 options:

1. Accept that people who want to be bad (the people that these laws are here to stop) will always find a loophole to get to the people they want to be bad to (the people these laws are designed to protect); thereby making any system of (social) rules ineffective. The limitations of the human languages simply do not let you define all possible situations; this is why everyone is always expected to act responsibly according to the spirit of the law. To find the balance between sticking to the rules and bending them to innovate is the type of balance that you learn to seek out when you grow up as a kid and get into scrapes on the school yard.

2. OR you can set up the rules so strictly and in such a limiting manner that emergent behavior and any form of innovation becomes completely impossible. We could easily fix this by simply making it impossible to attack anyone in high sec ever, no exceptions. This is a situation no one wants.

In other words, making judgement calls will always be part of running a sandbox game. Making sure that a GM is capable of doing this properly is a very important part of our hiring, training and auditing process. This is also why escalation of a support ticket is always a possibility (from non-senior to senior) and why peer review is a very important part of our operating procedures.

What it sounds like to me is Concord needs more inert. stabs in their lows.....because they clearly don't get it.

The best justice money can buy!

Smells like bullshit to me.

We had emergent behavior. People would still loose their ships to concord. It would take a little longer, but it was realistically impossible to avoid concord indefinitely AND kill stuff at the same time. You (the GM's) killed that behavior. From where I'm standing, it looks like you don't WANT innovation, you've already stepped on the road to option 2.

Could you perhaps give an example of a behavioral innovation regarding GCC which the GM's approve of?


Edit:

At one point, spamming cans for decloak on a gate (for example) was pretty much universally frowned upon by all gm's and action was taken against it (offenders would be punished, the cans removed, any ships killed by this would be replaced if you petitioned). Then, the "spirit of the law" changed (within the last year) and now this behavior is considered legit. My point was that the "spirit of the law" changes on a regular basis in eve.

Not empty quoting...

Yeah, I was asking the GM how we can trust the "spirit of the law" if the spirit keeps changing all the time?

These periodical reinterpretations of the minutia of the rules may seem simple and non-invasive, but they have HUGE impacts on gameplay (IT gets to keep their supers because some GM unanchored bubbles, because using bubbles is an exploit) - and especially emergent gameplay (warping after ganking in high sec).

When you constantly reinterpret the rules, it really shakes confidence in the fairness of the GM team's decisions.

no thanks i value the letter of the law. the sprirt of the law lets you abuse your power to ban people you want and keep people you dont.


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Because there has to be a balance to it. Why would concord act instantly in a 0.5 system, effectively making it a 1.0?

I don't think people PvEing would be happy about mission payouts and asteroid spawns would be the same as in 1.0 in all high sec systems.

The best way to solve these exploits that I have heard of so far is the insta scram and fixed delay depending on system security for the death ray.

As people come up with new tactics to stretch the borders of the EVE rule structure, those rules will be re-evaluated from time to time. This is a good thing.

It is very obvious that they do not want to eliminate suicide ganking as a moderately profitable profession if you have the skills and the plan to do it right.

It is also obvious that the ability to gank several mining vessels (even if widely spread) or a freighter with a single Tornado, and thereby making the profession wildly profitable, fall outside the balance they have in mind.

I wouldn't push the point on this, it has already been brought up at FanFest that they are considering just saying screw it and instituting a "death ray" that simply pops the aggressor within a specific time frame regardless of what other clever actions he may try to take.

Don't give them more reason to pursue that line of thinking.