EVE General Discussion

Am I correct in recalling that you were the bitter newb who made an "i quit," post just today?

[quote=Argaral

Haha which one of you magnificent ******* was doing this in Obstergo? [/quote]

This was in Sudden Buggery.

And to reply to Liang, on the point of right/wrong of scamming, my point is not that buying PLEX is bad or that I am responsible for policing the IRL actions of someone who is addicted to PLEX, but that my in-game actions were causing real-world actions that I considered would be morally wrong. I'm quite OK with scamming and yoinking digital assets from people, but causing someone to lose IRL money, and knowing this is happening, how is this different from Mittens actions

Eg, if I found out that the victim was stupid enough to fall for scams repeatedly, and paying for his ISK with cash, and told someone to scam him, it is directly equivalent to telling someone to grief another player until he necks himself. In this case, my objection with the act is that you know, definitively, that he is doing something outside the game and you are stealing his assets; in this case, nonrefundable credit expressed as play money currency, ie ISK. But that's exactly the same as stealing a movie ticket from a child. In essence it is stealing at a remove

The key, to me, was not knowing where people's ISK comes from. Yes, I have scammed, stolen, embezzled and conned people of ISK. Maybe they paid with IRL cash, maybe they earned it running Incursions. Doesn't matter, unless I actually know they are paying for PLEX.

The misdemeanour may be different than griefing allegedly suicidal people, but the fact you are acting upon information that exists beyond the magic circle, to effect actions taken by another player outside the game, for advantage in the game...that's breaking the magic circle AND all moral conduct.

Killing people's ships, even AWOXing them, when they've paid for them with PLEX? Totally fine. That's playing the game, in the game. If you get AWOXed and PLEX it up and get AWOXed again, what is the AWOXer doing that is wrong?

The other interesting part of this story is the guy who was doing the griefing, well, he had a couple of ships left in our WH POS. When they went missing, the tears were piquant and sweet. You see, I had had exactly this discussion with him. He had insisted there was a 'no harm no foul' clause in effect because it was just a game. That I was taking it too seriously, and who gives a toss about ingame assets, its just ones and zeroes.

Then I stole all his stuff and the tears started flying. The "why me" and "what did I do to you?" began pouring out of his limpid eyes. The bottom lip was trembling, the voice was full of anger and incredulity.

He was totally oblivious to the moral lesson, or his blatant hypocrisy. He, to this day, just cannot grok why I did what I did, because he cannot connect his in-game actions with any form of moral relativity. The only regret I have is that he can't see my point - but I am sure, with reflection, he'll come around to it.