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An apology to the CSM 7

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#1 - 2012-03-29 23:53:45 UTC
The very unexpected indecent and Fanfest caught all of us by surprise. I felt I had a personal obligation to go on the record with MY opinion as to the correct course of action after the incident. I believe I had a right and obligation to answer the demands of many of the people the helped elect me to make it clear what I thought about what happened.

But the manner I offered my position in the incident was unfair to my fellow CSM 7. The way I made my views on the matter clear also had the unintended consequence of forcing the other members of the CSM 7 to agree with me and in a manner of my choosing. I did not have the right to ask that of them. They are all entitled to respond as individuals to the players of Eve in the manner and at the time of their own choosing.

For that reason I want to say that I apologize for putting them unfairly in that position. It was not my intention to discredit them or seem to attack them in the public forums.

I believe I've messaged that already to most of the CSM 7 in the Skype channels but I felt it important to make it clear to the players that in my commitment to be clear about my reaction I created a situation that was unfair to the rest of the CSM.

I will remain as committed to transperancy in the CSM 7 as ever, but I promise to make it clear that if I ever do need to speak out about an issue the rest of the CSM will know in advance and I will make it clear that these are my views and not put an implied burden for any other CSM member to agree in kind or in the manner I've chosen to communicate.

Issler
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-03-29 23:57:53 UTC
no need for a apology but you have given your one more though then mittans
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-30 00:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiden Andraste
Now that you've apologized, its time to throw you out the CSM and ban you right? Oh, that only applies to The Mittani eh? Okay, thanks for your meaningless words Issler.

It's far too late to backpeddle now, you're a bandwagoning goon hater and that's that.

EDIT: derped a herp
Mistress Milana
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-30 00:11:17 UTC
It takes a big person to do that Issler. And for that, I commend you. I hope you stay on the CSM and serve your people well.
Liaria Cullen
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#5 - 2012-03-30 00:26:32 UTC
too little too late , you're now on the same page as the mittani, you've ruined any chances you had of being taken seriously, and by extention you've lowered the chances of this csm term being taken seriously, it's an empty appology for a situation that should never have happened,congratulations you are now the new mittani of the csm.
Liaria Cullen
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#6 - 2012-03-30 00:29:07 UTC
Liaria Cullen wrote:
congratulations you are now the new mittani of the csm.


In the sense that you ****** up this term, not that you'll get **** done.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-30 00:32:36 UTC
Liaria Cullen wrote:
Liaria Cullen wrote:
congratulations you are now the new mittani of the csm.


In the sense that you ****** up this term, not that you'll get **** done.

This implies that the current CSM will accomplish anything under the shadow of irrelevancy that CCP cast on it.
None ofthe Above
#8 - 2012-03-30 00:48:31 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
The very unexpected indecent and Fanfest caught all of us by surprise. I felt I had a personal obligation to go on the record with MY opinion as to the correct course of action after the incident. I believe I had a right and obligation to answer the demands of many of the people the helped elect me to make it clear what I thought about what happened.

But the manner I offered my position in the incident was unfair to my fellow CSM 7. The way I made my views on the matter clear also had the unintended consequence of forcing the other members of the CSM 7 to agree with me and in a manner of my choosing. I did not have the right to ask that of them. They are all entitled to respond as individuals to the players of Eve in the manner and at the time of their own choosing.

For that reason I want to say that I apologize for putting them unfairly in that position. It was not my intention to discredit them or seem to attack them in the public forums.

I believe I've messaged that already to most of the CSM 7 in the Skype channels but I felt it important to make it clear to the players that in my commitment to be clear about my reaction I created a situation that was unfair to the rest of the CSM.

I will remain as committed to transperancy in the CSM 7 as ever, but I promise to make it clear that if I ever do need to speak out about an issue the rest of the CSM will know in advance and I will make it clear that these are my views and not put an implied burden for any other CSM member to agree in kind or in the manner I've chosen to communicate.

Issler


Its good of you to offer, I think it's the right thing to do even though CSM7 wasn't seated and still isn't fully. So quite understandable that communications had not been worked out.

Glad to see you are on board with the team, although actually appreciate the fact that you are prepared to stand up for your beliefs if need be.

I also know you won't let the haters get you down. You'll do what you think is right in spite the fire you draw for it.

I may not always agree or even understand you, but I have come to respect your courage and fortitude.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-03-30 00:50:15 UTC
As a CSM7 elect I accept Issler's apology and give her a lot of credit for making one.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2012-03-30 00:55:41 UTC
Thanks, Issler, much appreciated. I'm looking forward to working together as a team in the days to come. Time to hit the ground running, Inferno is only a couple months away!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-03-30 01:21:23 UTC
+1 for you miss D3

Hmmm
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-03-30 01:24:59 UTC
When are you going to apologize for copyright infringement?
Hailey Sunweaver
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-30 01:30:23 UTC
How ironic you timing is with your apology. I mean this is rubbing salt in the wound and you acting like your taking the high and moral ground. When in reality you tried to capitalize on the events at fan fest for your own personal advancement. I for one do not accept your apology. In my humble and personal opinion I think you should resign from the CSM. After all if your of high moral fiber this shouldn't be that difficult for you to do.
Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#14 - 2012-03-30 01:53:38 UTC
Hailey Sunweaver wrote:
How ironic you timing is with your apology. I mean this is rubbing salt in the wound and you acting like your taking the high and moral ground. When in reality you tried to capitalize on the events at fan fest for your own personal advancement. I for one do not accept your apology. In my humble and personal opinion I think you should resign from the CSM. After all if your of high moral fiber this shouldn't be that difficult for you to do.


This.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
The Elusive Tekitsu
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-03-30 01:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: The Elusive Tekitsu
Sara XIII wrote:
Hailey Sunweaver wrote:
How ironic you timing is with your apology. I mean this is rubbing salt in the wound and you acting like your taking the high and moral ground. When in reality you tried to capitalize on the events at fan fest for your own personal advancement. I for one do not accept your apology. In my humble and personal opinion I think you should resign from the CSM. After all if your of high moral fiber this shouldn't be that difficult for you to do.


This.


+1

Apparently one of the fundamentals slipped from Issler when running any corp/alliance(ones not filled with alts) which is teamwork Cry I leave it at that since the seed of doubt has already been planted, heh

Of course, I don't accept nor reject your apology. I just felt like posting for the sake of breaking my first post as a new player.

Wha, wha, what? Didn't hear, see, mind, or cared to pay attention. Sleep is awesome
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-30 02:00:16 UTC
You are such a bloody hypocrite.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-03-30 02:15:19 UTC
Not just a hypocrite, but a delusional hypocrite. You've helped to damage a person's real life reputation and get him thrown under a bus by the corporation he devoted hundreds of hours to helping. All to further your own goals in a video game. You're insane, you are actually out of your god damn mind that you're willing to harm a person over a video game. This isn't even meta-gaming, its just sick.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
None ofthe Above
#18 - 2012-03-30 02:19:23 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Not just a hypocrite, but a delusional hypocrite. You've helped to damage a person's real life reputation and get him thrown under a bus by the corporation he devoted hundreds of hours to helping. All to further your own goals in a video game. You're insane, you are actually out of your god damn mind that you're willing to harm a person over a video game. This isn't even meta-gaming, its just sick.


You know every time I look at rants like this I have to wonder how things would have gone if say Darius was the one that had made the mistake.

You think for one second that your lot wouldn't have gone after Darius much harder for the same offense? Who's the hypocrite?

And you are delusional if you think your rant is the truth, but you don't. You are just sperging.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#19 - 2012-03-30 02:20:11 UTC
Hailey Sunweaver wrote:
How ironic you timing is with your apology. I mean this is rubbing salt in the wound and you acting like your taking the high and moral ground. When in reality you tried to capitalize on the events at fan fest for your own personal advancement. I for one do not accept your apology. In my humble and personal opinion I think you should resign from the CSM. After all if your of high moral fiber this shouldn't be that difficult for you to do.


You may as well resign, Issler. Nobody is going to take you seriously after this stunt.
MEPH1ST0
Masonic Guard
#20 - 2012-03-30 02:38:28 UTC
+1 to you issler for being the only one to speak your mind, and not wait to be coached into a responce behind closed doors. I take my hat off to you sir
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