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Why we need the Goons
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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-29 14:32:10 UTC
This is me with my trolling-hat off. Eve needs Goons for the simple reason that this game needs BAD GUYS. CCP has developed "evil" NPCs like Sansha's, Blood Raiders, Guristas et al but they don't provoke anger or hatred in the same way as the Goons. We need something to passionately hate. We also need an unpredictable and ruthless entity that will keep us on our toes and uphold Eve's reputation as a dark, merciless universe. The Goons fit this bill quite nicely. Obviously the Mittani went one step too far and manned up with an OOC apology and compensation, and CCP has followed through with a reasonable punishment.

But Eve MUST remain a cruel and dark place. This is what makes Eve better than every other MMO out there. If you detest the goons, defeat them ingame. Resorting to "meta-game" tactics is sad and pathetic. You're no longer playing a game. Find yourself a new hobby if you're starting to take Eve too seriously.

Long live Eve.
JeanMichel Bizarre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-29 14:39:49 UTC
Agreed completely.

Dangerzone
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#3 - 2012-03-29 14:40:46 UTC
'Goons' are not going anywhere. Even if they did disband that would not equate to there not being 'bad guys'. Players would simply break off into other corporations that held the same ideals or form a new corp with their favored play style.
Akai Kvaesir
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
#4 - 2012-03-29 14:41:16 UTC
I say take it a step further and just enter the Goonswarm into the lore, i mean, Jita will bascially be a Goonswarm Incursion already, right?

Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#5 - 2012-03-29 14:42:15 UTC
The only reason I tried Eve in the first place was to join B.O.B. against the Goons. The Great war drew a lot of people to the game, because it was an amazing story, from start to finish. The Goons have been involved in every major even in Eve's history. Even now, we are literally unable to stop talking about them, and most of us are eagerly looking forward to the end of April because of something the Goons have planned.

Say what you like about Mittani, but hes a better villain than Sansha Kuvakei could ever be. I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-29 14:42:29 UTC
We ain't evil, we're just good looking.

(any more alice cooper fans here or just me?)

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-29 14:43:30 UTC
Yes. I fully agree. As I stated in another thread. Goonswarm may all be a bunch of assholes but they are EvE's assholes and they bring an element to the game that nobody else can. I want them to stay in EvE and do what they do best. Be assholes. This is what is great about EvE. The sandbox.

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Alara IonStorm
#8 - 2012-03-29 14:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I don't mind the Goons their scams, interdiction's and massive Nullpire but really if they do go...

We'll just shift all the hate and fear back to those evil soulless Russians.
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#9 - 2012-03-29 14:47:52 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Resorting to "meta-game" tactics is sad and pathetic. You're no longer playing a game. Find yourself a new hobby if you're starting to take Eve too seriously.

Erm, goons are the biggest meta-gamers going. And internet spaceships is serious business.
Kriegman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-03-29 14:49:33 UTC
We are not evil, we are actually very nice guys and gals. We love noobies and killing your space empires.
Lifelongnoob
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-29 14:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lifelongnoob
we still have test alliance & xxdeathxx & raiden left to hate Roll
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-03-29 14:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: My Neutral Toon
I'll tell you a story:



I was once almost a victim of GSF scamming. Even as a highsec griefer, I hated GSF. I thought they were a bunch of blabbering idiots and should die and burn in hell. It was because I was a high-sec dweller that didn't know any better.


Until I joined the CFC.


Now I see the GSF for what it really is. 90% of their players are actually really cool people and will help their blues in any way possible, even if it means dying in combat.

Someone has to be villainized in EVE outside of the NPC's. If the only villains in EVE are NPCm this game will go stale VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY fast

The goons are actually what everyone in EVE wants to be. All the videos you see of empire building, or the newbie that topples an empire. This is what GOONS are about. Even a 1 month old rifter pilot has a home in goons and the CFC. That is why the CFC is so big and powerful. We are not Elite PeeVeePee like NC. and Raiden.

All Life is Forged From Hell!
CFC FOR LIFE! BURN TENAL TO THE GROUND!

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VaMei
Meafi Corp
#13 - 2012-03-29 15:12:51 UTC
Agree 100%.

Eve needs bad guys that want to smash our castles, throw sand in our face and generaly watch our virtual world burn.

Without these players, Eve would be a very dull place.
Dubaschu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-29 15:14:11 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This is me with my trolling-hat off. Eve needs Goons for the simple reason that this game needs BAD GUYS. CCP has developed "evil" NPCs like Sansha's, Blood Raiders, Guristas et al but they don't provoke anger or hatred in the same way as the Goons. We need something to passionately hate. We also need an unpredictable and ruthless entity that will keep us on our toes and uphold Eve's reputation as a dark, merciless universe. The Goons fit this bill quite nicely. Obviously the Mittani went one step too far and manned up with an OOC apology and compensation, and CCP has followed through with a reasonable punishment.

But Eve MUST remain a cruel and dark place. This is what makes Eve better than every other MMO out there. If you detest the goons, defeat them ingame. Resorting to "meta-game" tactics is sad and pathetic. You're no longer playing a game. Find yourself a new hobby if you're starting to take Eve too seriously.

Long live Eve.



100% agreed
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#15 - 2012-03-29 15:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
you're missing "don't" in your title, OP.


PS: No, I agree too... :), but "someone like" goons doesn't mean it has to be goons. Roll
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-29 15:20:40 UTC
What happened to Goons?

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#17 - 2012-03-29 15:22:17 UTC

Goons are not the only "bad guys" in Eve. They are the only allowed hate group in Eve, and we would be better off without them. To assert that without goons there would be no "bad guys" in Eve is absurd.

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Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#18 - 2012-03-29 15:23:15 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:

Goons are not the only "bad guys" in Eve. They are the only allowed hate group in Eve, and we would be better off without them. To assert that without goons there would be no "bad guys" in Eve is absurd.


You commenting on what is absurd is either incredibly ironic or awkwardly appropriate.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-03-29 15:24:11 UTC
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#20 - 2012-03-29 15:24:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Xander Riggs wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:

Goons are not the only "bad guys" in Eve. They are the only allowed hate group in Eve, and we would be better off without them. To assert that without goons there would be no "bad guys" in Eve is absurd.


You commenting on what is absurd is either incredibly ironic or awkwardly appropriate.


At least I'm staying on topic. Cry moar plz. Your NPC alt tears taste of bee honey.

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