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I guess that CCP Unifex and CCP SoniClover, in their infinite clairvoyance, just will prove us wrong.

My butt sitll hurts from the last time CCP showed us how right they were and how wrong we were, back in June 2011.

Proof by statistical inference - only small fraction of people posted in this thread (only 29 pages with duplicate posts). 70% plus of people live in hisec. Ergo most people either didn't read or didn't bother to post in this thread to voice their opinion.

While it is obviously true only a small percentage of all the players of EVE have replied in this thread, that wasn't what I was saying to prove. You're claiming that the majority of players share your view of EVE, and that you have not proven by any stretch of the imagination.

That 66% (or was it 67) of characters live in High Sec is not proof either. All that shows is there's motivation for players to have a character( or alts) in that part of space, not what that motivation happens to be, and certainly not that they want EVE turned into space WoW as you seem to believe.

Pssst... Rumor has it that Eve Online is a PvP BASED Game. It's been that way for 9 years now... And claim all you want, but Carebears have either endured or rage quit over those 9 years, yet Eve has continuously grown. PvP is what drives this game, Not sniveling carebears. War drives the Economy in RL and in Games. Grow some pride and stop cowaring. At least the proposed system allows for allies, or Mercs most likely in your case. TBH the cost hikes proposed will kill the game alone since people will lose less ships, then you'll ***** about why all the prices in the market are plummetting and ooops here comes a Depression. When will you people learn? This topic, the Base of Eve, is being taken Far too lightly by CCP and they need to open their mindset before trying to shove everything out in regards to the War System. Fix it right or don't touch it. For, even though it's not great now, at least it affords the proper playstyle of what Eve was based on... PvP.

Hey: EVE is hard. Advertisement says so.

You are under threat of war dec now - and in the end, as much as we all are complaining, isk is just isk and if someone wants to dec you nothing is going to stop them. So just because you are a peaceful carebear corp, don't think we all hate you and want you dead just because we think war should be a reality. We understand you want to be safe, but the fact is in eve, you never are. It is an illusion. And ultimately combat drives this game and the economy. So more combat is good, and challenge is good. Please open your mind and try and embrace that.

But I feel the pain of smaller corps being permadecced by larger, and that is why I proposed that it be more expensive for larger corps to dec smaller, in order to reduce 'grief wars'. To be honest, you should realize that CCP's current proposal will result in more grief wars as war deccing corps will decide that large juicy targets are just too expensive and turn their sites on smaller ones. Clearly this is conjecture, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility.

Being wardecced builds character and improves your corp by the way - it did for us back in our early days.

Not to mention with Inferno, there are a bunch of folks like me who are looking forward to getting involved in your war, at next to nothing, just to have some fun and shoot your war targets.


That all being said. I'd love to see a response from CCP. As usual their silence is disturbing. 30 pages of posts about this change over an exploit that was pointed out to them at fanfest, an exploit they should have forseen.

I mean part of our job as players is to help reveal exploits, I understand that. However it took all of us in that audience less than 30 seconds to realize that you could just load your corp/alliance up with alts to dec shield and that it would basically worsen the very problem they are proposing to fix. You can now make it MORE expensive to be war decced and you can do it for FREE.

Unfortunately CCP is developing a history of making changes that if anything do the exact reverse of what they were supposed to accomplish. I just have to wonder if devs need to get out into the game more, or talk to us more.

Anyway - I'd like to see a response on this page - at least some acknowledgement that they have heard us and are re-evaluating this mechanic.

Argus

Ok, this is my only comment. War is nice, but it's pretty HS. All of the SOV battles and such that happen in Null have nothing to do with wardecs, but these changes to the system don't even matter, but at the same time, it would be really nice to have this tracking feature be a toggle item. SOV changes alone are good, but it would be nice if we could see alliance vs. alliance tracking the same as the war dec system.

So long story short high sec Mercs wont be able to dec 0.0 Alliances anymore since it will be cost prohibative. So where as Empire use to be the scariest place for the 0.0 Alliances to go, since they have all their well established intel channels, jump bridges, cynos etc out there, now they can wander around Empire afk transporting stuff since it will cost Empire Mercs riduculous amounts if isk to dec them and actually make Empire risky for them...

Great idea..........
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Yup, Exactly... It should be priced the other way around if anything... more expensive to dec smaller corps. But I still believe the Flat rate is the best, most fair way to go.



And when we Merc Corps accomplish this minning requirement and still pwn you... what left will you have to whine about? Cause yes, you'll still whine, and you know it. All you carebears seem to think PvP corp rely on you guys to get supplies and ships... to the contrary, we're very versitle and do what needs to be done to fund and support our PvP.



I really hope it's an April fools joke... but that would be an escape goat excuse and be giving them too much credit for such a High end Troll. We'd be relieved if it was, but we'd still hate them for such cruelty.

I think this is ultimately a problem that it's hard to find fun targets to fight. Smaller targets will always try to avoid confrontation with larger groups. And weaker groups will not take on stronger groups head-on (unless stupid or don't have sufficient information). That's the nature of EVE since it doesn't do any balancing in that regard. Thats why again i think that tournament based PVP would solve a lot of boredom issues and "i don't want to fight you because you are bigger" issues. (see my earlier post)

Another thing that should be implimented is that PCO should be locked to stay in corps/alliances that are at war, that way when a war dec hits, pco corp jumping cant occur and must be guarded. To put this in a more detailed perspective.

. Group A wardecs Group B
Group B has PCOs that Group A is targeting
Group B deconstructs the PCOs and transfers them to an alt corp that is outside of the wardec.
Group A wardecs the alt corp for the PCOs that are still in system.
Group B continues to do what they did earlier and switches the pco to an alternate corp.

The fix that ought to be implimented in my opinion should go like so:

Wardec Occurs.
Group B's PCO's become locked assets and cannot be deconstructed or traded over to other corps for the duration of the war.
Group A targets the PCOs for attack and now Group B must muster defensive forces and strontium for the reinforce mode for the PCOs


I myself have not setup PCOs before so you might not actually be able to deconstruct them but ive had the experience where we was winning a war dec and went on the offensive to kill off the enemy PCOs but when they found all their PCO in reinforced mode, the PCOs switched over to their alt corp so we would have to sacrifice GCC everytime when would attempt an attack. Multiple times with Strontium in place, but thats my experience and thought.