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To ban or not to ban. That's the question.

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Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-04-01 04:43:50 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.

It's because he is Ginger.
Jita Alt666
#42 - 2012-04-01 04:55:43 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.



In 1875 in the state of South Australia it was legal to beat your wife with a stick narrower than your thumb.

In 2012 in the state of Rhode Island it is illegal to verbally imply future use of violence against a partner.

I think this comparison is worth an examination.
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#43 - 2012-04-01 06:01:33 UTC
Zirise wrote:


Harassment in game (regardless of someone's mental state) always comes with the option of walking away.

A death threat doesn't.



Neither does the guy if in his mental state he goes through with his suicidal thoughts. Thats kinda the point.
Also, youre assuming that the person is acting rationally and realizes they have that option. I put the idea that if his metal health is damaged enough that he would be considering that OVER a video game that "just walking away" IE quitting (cause thats the only way he would be able to avoid the cyberbullying) night not be open to him in his irrational thought process

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Sister Rhode
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-04-01 06:02:40 UTC
Since when are we aloud to discuss moderation on the forums?
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#45 - 2012-04-01 06:10:43 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour
Quote:
Humour or humor (see spelling differences) is the tendency of particular cognitive experiences to provoke laughter and provide amusement. The term derives from the humoral medicine of the ancient Greeks, which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humors (Latin: humor, "body fluid"), control human health and emotion.


The main problem might be, that all people understand something different as "humor".
Making (primitiv) jokes about death and killing people might be funny for some, other can't even get a small smile out of them. And the next one doesn't see it as "humor" at all but as insult and misanthropy.

Over all one important part is missing when something funny is expressed just by text: facial expression

Mittanis problem was, that facial expression isn't controleble anymore when drunken. So even if he ment it as joke ... it wasn't recognizable becouse of his temporare condition ;).

Gingers problem is, that facial expression can't be see via text (except for smilys). So if he ment it as joke .... how should other know it if Ginger didn't use smilys?

Over all for west europe people it isn't funny to make jokes about "killing" or "suizid".
If it is funny for US guys or anyone else on the world ... excuse us EUler ... we can't lought about it.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#46 - 2012-04-01 06:11:30 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
Kirk: Spock...what is...your assessment?
Spock: *checking tricorder* It seems to be a large quadruped Captain, and by examing the surroundings *looks over open fields* which I belive to be a draft animal on this planet.
Kirk: That is...interesting...Spock....Bones...do you...concur.
Bones: *picardfacepalm* Damn it Jim its a f*cking dead horse, its not a philosophical debate that we need to poke over and over. For f*cks sake, will you please call Scotty and get us off this miserable f*cking planet so I can get drunk. God damn, the only way to get through the damn sh*t this species will continuously obsess over is to just be in a drunk stupor for the rest of my life and its not helping my liver.



Goon alt detected

Sub intelligent meme quoter detected, owns special hardcore gaming keyboard set up for such an occasion.

But no, its over. To bad everyone just has to obsess over it like a Mass Effect fan whining about the ending of number three.


lol you guys paying for these posting alts? This guy hasnt even been in game (note the lack of a face)

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#47 - 2012-04-01 06:12:35 UTC
Jet Aeon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
He didn't threaten the wis, he simply encouraged some mild harassment (what some of you like to call cyber-bullying).


Its wasnt even that. It was a drunken joke made by a guy wearing a wizard hat.


It was an encouragement to harass someone, and this encouragement was made by a sociopath -- while wearing a wizard hat -- and just so happens to have a lot of influence. You may not see the difference, but most everyone else does.


Generally shown by the lack of a perminant ban attampt

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#48 - 2012-04-01 06:24:24 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
the only thing that should ever perma ban you is RMT or cheating... words are words no matter how you put it.



yes... if you talk someone into murdering someone youre totally innocent cause "words are just words"

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#49 - 2012-04-01 06:40:48 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.


I really thought a ban was not warranted until I heard his eve radio interview last night.

His behaviour is still self-interested, conceited and wrong.

He couldn't even bring himself to agree that CCP's 30 day ban of him was deserved.

In his speech to the goons he said "I've been f***** but we'll go on".

I can't see at all how it is that people cannot see past his obviously fake manner and fake apology.

I've changed my mind from 2 days ago, now I think he should be gone for good.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#50 - 2012-04-01 06:44:00 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.


I really thought a ban was not warranted until I heard his eve radio interview last night.

His behaviour is still self-interested, conceited and wrong.

He couldn't even bring himself to agree that CCP's 30 day ban of him was deserved.

In his speech to the goons he said "I've been f***** but we'll go on".

I can't see at all how it is that people cannot see past his obviously fake manner and fake apology.

I've changed my mind from 2 days ago, now I think he should be gone for good.



Just because he apologized and stepped down as CSM chair doesn't mean that he has to agree about the ban. And that doesn't mean that the apology wasn't sincere. This is especially considering that CCP decided on the ban all on their own without letting him know when he made his apology.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#51 - 2012-04-01 06:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Lapine Davion wrote:
Just because he apologized and stepped down as CSM chair doesn't mean that he has to agree about the ban. And that doesn't mean that the apology wasn't sincere. This is especially considering that CCP decided on the ban all on their own without letting him know when he made his apology.


So he thinks he's been harshly done by when it comes to taking responsibility for his actions?

I see...

It always amazes me that people think that if they pay the restitute that THEY think is reasonable, then everything's ok. As soon as they have to pay more than that, it's a harsh punishment.

Roll

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-04-01 07:35:50 UTC
You worthless pubbie filth have beaten this dead horse so much that there isn't even any gristle left to bludgeon.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Ai Shun
#53 - 2012-04-01 07:37:55 UTC
Sister Rhode wrote:
Since when are we aloud to discuss moderation on the forums?


It's okay if we do it quietly.
Justa Altlol
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-04-01 08:20:37 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.

Mittani was talking about killing him in-game. He didn't make any real life threats. Nobody can force anyone to kill themselves with imaginary internet spaceships. The other thing that's different is that Ginger Magician was serious and Mittani was clearly joking. He's an alliance leader. If he wanted the guy harassed by tons of people he doesn't need to beg random people at fanfest. He has his own army.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-04-01 08:28:04 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.

I'm unironically laughing at OP's name....
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#56 - 2012-04-01 08:32:04 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.


I really thought a ban was not warranted until I heard his eve radio interview last night.

His behaviour is still self-interested, conceited and wrong.

He couldn't even bring himself to agree that CCP's 30 day ban of him was deserved.

In his speech to the goons he said "I've been f***** but we'll go on".

I can't see at all how it is that people cannot see past his obviously fake manner and fake apology.

I've changed my mind from 2 days ago, now I think he should be gone for good.


I liked the part where he said the only reason he got the ban was the mislabelling of Cyber-bully on this whole thing

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#57 - 2012-04-01 08:33:38 UTC
Justa Altlol wrote:
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.

Mittani was talking about killing him in-game. He didn't make any real life threats. Nobody can force anyone to kill themselves with imaginary internet spaceships. The other thing that's different is that Ginger Magician was serious and Mittani was clearly joking. He's an alliance leader. If he wanted the guy harassed by tons of people he doesn't need to beg random people at fanfest. He has his own army.


So je was talking about self destructing his pod when he said get him to kill himself?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#58 - 2012-04-01 08:34:01 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Just because he apologized and stepped down as CSM chair doesn't mean that he has to agree about the ban. And that doesn't mean that the apology wasn't sincere. This is especially considering that CCP decided on the ban all on their own without letting him know when he made his apology.


So he thinks he's been harshly done by when it comes to taking responsibility for his actions?

I see...

It always amazes me that people think that if they pay the restitute that THEY think is reasonable, then everything's ok. As soon as they have to pay more than that, it's a harsh punishment.

Roll


I'm gathering that you people wouldn't be happy until the man is literally drawn and quartered.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#59 - 2012-04-01 08:34:43 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
Justa Altlol wrote:
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)

The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)

I think this comparision is worth an examination.

Mittani was talking about killing him in-game. He didn't make any real life threats. Nobody can force anyone to kill themselves with imaginary internet spaceships. The other thing that's different is that Ginger Magician was serious and Mittani was clearly joking. He's an alliance leader. If he wanted the guy harassed by tons of people he doesn't need to beg random people at fanfest. He has his own army.


So je was talking about self destructing his pod when he said get him to kill himself?


Because nobody from the internet has ever made a terrible joke while wasted. Nope. No sir.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#60 - 2012-04-01 08:39:44 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
In 1875 in the state of South Australia it was legal to beat your wife with a stick narrower than your thumb.

Hm, interesting. I hadn't known that.
Ai Shun wrote:
Sister Rhode wrote:
Since when are we aloud to discuss moderation on the forums?

It's okay if we do it quietly.

Words on the internet are loud though...


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