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CSM7 is no longer a valid entity
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-29 00:21:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiden Andraste
I voted for Seleene and Mittens on my two accounts. Now that CCP has taken its heavy handed action against everyone who believes the Mittani is a valuable and key figure of CSM7 regardless of his politically incorrect gaffe, this CSM is completely invalid.

Either have a revote to allow the 10k to place their vote in whom they think is a better chairman, or just disband CSM. They are no longer player representatives and are now a CCP chosen politically "right" image to present to its partners and the media as a whole.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-29 00:23:07 UTC
Post on your main, don't hide behind a forum alt.....

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Ai Shun
#3 - 2012-03-29 00:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Aiden Andraste wrote:
I voted for Seleene and Mittens on my two accounts. Now that CCP has taken its heavy handed action against everyone who believes the Mittani is a valuable and key figure of CSM7 regardless of his politically incorrect gaffe, this CSM is completely invalid.

Either have a revote to allow the 10k place their vote in whom they think is a better chairman, or just disband CSM. They are no longer player representatives and are now a CCP chosen politically "right" image to present to its partners and the media as a whole.


Next time you don't get to vote because you can't read.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88093&find=unread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88063&find=unread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88060&find=unread

etc.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-29 00:25:07 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Aiden Andraste wrote:
I voted for Seleene and Mittens on my two accounts. Now that CCP has taken its heavy handed action against everyone who believes the Mittani is a valuable and key figure of CSM7 regardless of his politically incorrect gaffe, this CSM is completely invalid.

Either have a revote to allow the 10k place their vote in whom they think is a better chairman, or just disband CSM. They are no longer player representatives and are now a CCP chosen politically "right" image to present to its partners and the media as a whole.


Next time you don't get to vote because you can't read.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88093&find=unread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88063&find=unread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88060&find=unread

etc.

Thanks for your support in this serious internet spaceship matter.
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#5 - 2012-03-29 00:26:37 UTC
I vote for disband.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-29 00:30:55 UTC
Disband or revote. Either they are purely player chosen or they are irrelevant.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-03-29 00:31:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
He's actually fully right, CCP has now intervened in the political process, the candidates left are not those that the majority of players supported.

Hell Mittens got more than two times the votes that his two closest competitor achieved.


Removing him invalidates the election that just happened and they should actually have a revote so that the 10000 people who voted for him can reapply their voice to the democratic process.


Otherwise CSM 7 will be as useful as the CSM's that came before CSM 6 (not useful at all as they do not represent the largest portion of the player base).


This is a joke, and probably the worst thing CCP could have done to the game in general, as it will likely become virtually unplayable for the next few weeks for the largest portion of is player base (empire).

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Revii Lagoon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-29 00:32:32 UTC
We do not want a revote we want the person we rightfully elected to CSM to actually be on the CSM.
Ai Shun
#9 - 2012-03-29 00:35:01 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
Thanks for your support in this serious internet spaceship matter.


Glad to be of service, saw you posting in the existing thread on the same topic.
Dranchela
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-03-29 00:37:15 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
He's actually fully right, CCP has now intervened in the political process, the candidates left are not those that the majority of players supported.

Hell Mittens got more than two times the votes that his two closest competitor achieved.


Removing him invalidates the election that just happened and they should actually have a revote so that the 10000 people who voted for him can reapply their voice to the democratic process.


Otherwise CSM 7 will be as useful as the CSM's that came before CSM 6 (not useful at all as they do not represent the largest portion of the player base).


This is a joke, and probably the worst thing CCP could have done to the game in general, as it will likely become virtually unplayable for the next few weeks for the largest portion of is player base (empire).



They set up the CSM in the first place. In this matter they can.do as they wish. This isn't a governing body just an advisory board that CCP said would be officially sponsored by the company.

CCP has done.nothing they shouldn't be able to. The player base on the other hand has acted like a bunch of basement dwellers who haven't seen sunlight in eight months and flips out about something stupid.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-29 00:47:02 UTC
Dranchela wrote:
They set up the CSM in the first place. In this matter they can.do as they wish. This isn't a governing body just an advisory board that CCP said would be officially sponsored by the company.

CCP has done.nothing they shouldn't be able to. The player base on the other hand has acted like a bunch of basement dwellers who haven't seen sunlight in eight months and flips out about something stupid.

You're right, CCP can do whatever they want. They allowed players to vote on a representing body of players for CSM. They removed the man with the highest vote. They now need to understand that this move makes the CSM less useful as 10000 opinions have just been tossed out with the bathwater.

If CCP does not correct this error with a revote at the minimum, then that makes this CSM as a whole less effective and representative of what CCP set out to do with the launch of the CSM program.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-03-29 00:48:15 UTC
Dranchela wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
He's actually fully right, CCP has now intervened in the political process, the candidates left are not those that the majority of players supported.

Hell Mittens got more than two times the votes that his two closest competitor achieved.


Removing him invalidates the election that just happened and they should actually have a revote so that the 10000 people who voted for him can reapply their voice to the democratic process.


Otherwise CSM 7 will be as useful as the CSM's that came before CSM 6 (not useful at all as they do not represent the largest portion of the player base).


This is a joke, and probably the worst thing CCP could have done to the game in general, as it will likely become virtually unplayable for the next few weeks for the largest portion of is player base (empire).



They set up the CSM in the first place. In this matter they can.do as they wish. This isn't a governing body just an advisory board that CCP said would be officially sponsored by the company.

CCP has done.nothing they shouldn't be able to. The player base on the other hand has acted like a bunch of basement dwellers who haven't seen sunlight in eight months and flips out about something stupid.


Hey look, you have an opinion, and thats all that it is.

An opinion.


If the CSM is invalidated in this manner than thats all it will ever be, some puppet group set up by CCP, it cheapens the entire process of a democratically elected body of players when CCP intercedes.

But hey, Im sure this will turn out exactly the way CCP wants right?


No, this was literally the dumbest thing they could have done, and its amazing that the players 0.0 player base has more of a grip of what keeps eve healthy than CCP themselves do.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-29 01:17:41 UTC
The voters demand a new ballot in response to your tossing out the baby with the bathwater, CCP.
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-03-29 01:23:09 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
The voters demand a new ballot in response to your tossing out the baby with the bathwater, CCP.


Selecting a Chairman will be straightforward matter; the Representative with
the highest vote tally will automatically become the Chairman and is responsible
for the internal council vote of a Vice-Chairman, Secretary and Vice-Secretary.
Should the positions not be filled within seven days an appointment authority is
granted to the Chairman to fill the positions. Should the Chairman step down as
such or as a Representative, a vote is to be held to appoint a new Chairman with
all Representatives eligible for the position.

there doesnt need to be a new ballot, he stepped down, problem solved
Jaqa
Royale Strategic Imperative
#15 - 2012-03-29 01:29:17 UTC
I support this.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#16 - 2012-03-29 01:31:18 UTC
As if the CSM has any relevance whatsoever.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Mathias Hex
#17 - 2012-03-29 02:29:57 UTC
CCP how can you follow your own rules like that!

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#18 - 2012-03-29 02:58:25 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
He's actually fully right, CCP has now intervened in the political process, the candidates left are not those that the majority of players supported.

Hell Mittens got more than two times the votes that his two closest competitor achieved.


Removing him invalidates the election that just happened and they should actually have a revote so that the 10000 people who voted for him can reapply their voice to the democratic process.


Otherwise CSM 7 will be as useful as the CSM's that came before CSM 6 (not useful at all as they do not represent the largest portion of the player base).


This is a joke, and probably the worst thing CCP could have done to the game in general, as it will likely become virtually unplayable for the next few weeks for the largest portion of is player base (empire).


Actually the majority of votes didn't go to The Mittani. He has the single largest amount of votes but it isn't the majority of votes, that would have been well over 29,000 votes. Then he would have had a majority of votes.

Next to that if we look at real life politics like the masses like to compare it with.
Most governments have people removed due to infractions which made them impossible to hold for their position, yet the government went on without those people. They got replaced instead of going through the painstaking proces of new elections everytime a governmental subject got removed.

Heck even United States Presidents falling from grace didn't warrant for new elections.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-29 03:03:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
I vote for HTFU. Now excuse me while I mop up all these epic tears for re-sell at next year's fanfest.

Don't ban me, bro!
Taihbea
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-03-29 03:06:52 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
Dranchela wrote:
They set up the CSM in the first place. In this matter they can.do as they wish. This isn't a governing body just an advisory board that CCP said would be officially sponsored by the company.

CCP has done.nothing they shouldn't be able to. The player base on the other hand has acted like a bunch of basement dwellers who haven't seen sunlight in eight months and flips out about something stupid.

You're right, CCP can do whatever they want. They allowed players to vote on a representing body of players for CSM. They removed the man with the highest vote. They now need to understand that this move makes the CSM less useful as 10000 opinions have just been tossed out with the bathwater.

If CCP does not correct this error with a revote at the minimum, then that makes this CSM as a whole less effective and representative of what CCP set out to do with the launch of the CSM program.


Hey brainiac... That dude removed himself. Oh and deal with it and HTFU.
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