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Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-28 23:27:12 UTC
ok its been a real ship class before its been in other games before so mebe we can see an escort carrier class possibly.

im looking forward to all the hate comments from every one aba escort carriers an what not.

To me tho its a reasonable idea, a ship a lil larger than a battleship with barely any weapons but aloued to carry up to 5 fighters no fighter bombers

just something a little cheeper than a full carrier so ppl can feel the awsomeness off fighters a lil sooner.
zatazon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-28 23:39:01 UTC
So something that could **** BS but get raped by caps and super caps? I think the idea is interesting and honestly I would prob get one to fly. Cant really think of a good reason to use it, but it could make things interesting.
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-03-28 23:40:48 UTC
A lot of people would like to see this, as long as it's well balanced it would be a wonderful asset. I'd personnaly like it to be a mini-carrier with lots of drone space, but only enough space for one launch of fighters, and no remote rep support or triage. Basically a battleship suited to carrier role.
Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-28 23:42:38 UTC
well i got a Q to throw out now to the community

would you rarther have these small carriers BANNED from HS like ther larger brothers or allow them into HS would mix stuff up a bit.
Argaral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-29 01:42:25 UTC
Admiral Lysander wrote:
well i got a Q to throw out now to the community

would you rarther have these small carriers BANNED from HS like ther larger brothers or allow them into HS would mix stuff up a bit.

It would depend if they had Jump drives or not. We're talking about something with a rattlesnake esk tank and fighters. What could be construed as an amazing AFK mission ship or worse, a new incursion platform. The question is, do we limit these escorts to having a fighter only drone bay, thus limiting them to an Anti BS/Cap ship role?

Pricing would also be an issue, I would imagine it would be around an ORCA price. Alternatively you may have just discovered a viable anti super ship.....Think about it, it can only field 5 drones, BUT could field fighter bombers as well as fighters. With no high slot weaponry its task is pretty clear and a much more limited tank. You would need to bring 4 of these to match a current super carrier in terms of damage.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#6 - 2012-03-29 03:44:03 UTC
Argaral wrote:
Admiral Lysander wrote:
well i got a Q to throw out now to the community

would you rarther have these small carriers BANNED from HS like ther larger brothers or allow them into HS would mix stuff up a bit.

It would depend if they had Jump drives or not. We're talking about something with a rattlesnake esk tank and fighters. What could be construed as an amazing AFK mission ship or worse, a new incursion platform. The question is, do we limit these escorts to having a fighter only drone bay, thus limiting them to an Anti BS/Cap ship role?

Pricing would also be an issue, I would imagine it would be around an ORCA price. Alternatively you may have just discovered a viable anti super ship.....Think about it, it can only field 5 drones, BUT could field fighter bombers as well as fighters. With no high slot weaponry its task is pretty clear and a much more limited tank. You would need to bring 4 of these to match a current super carrier in terms of damage.

Interesting, sort of like a tier 3 battlecruiser glass-cannon thing?

I would personally prefer a battleship or battlecruiser that gets one bonused "pet" fighter. I imagine a Templar strapped to the underside of a Drake that launches to back the main ship up. Or just let me fly a fighter or fighterbomber by interacting with a friendly carrier, almost like POS guns. THAT would be cool.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#7 - 2012-03-29 04:08:46 UTC
*cough* Domi on roids *cough*

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Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#8 - 2012-03-29 04:15:55 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
*cough* Domi on roids *cough*

A pvp combat viable T2 battleship? Gasp.
Admiral Lysander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-29 04:20:04 UTC
Argaral wrote:
Admiral Lysander wrote:
well i got a Q to throw out now to the community

would you rarther have these small carriers BANNED from HS like ther larger brothers or allow them into HS would mix stuff up a bit.

It would depend if they had Jump drives or not. We're talking about something with a rattlesnake esk tank and fighters. What could be construed as an amazing AFK mission ship or worse, a new incursion platform. The question is, do we limit these escorts to having a fighter only drone bay, thus limiting them to an Anti BS/Cap ship role?

Pricing would also be an issue, I would imagine it would be around an ORCA price. Alternatively you may have just discovered a viable anti super ship.....Think about it, it can only field 5 drones, BUT could field fighter bombers as well as fighters. With no high slot weaponry its task is pretty clear and a much more limited tank. You would need to bring 4 of these to match a current super carrier in terms of damage.



I like your Ideas and as you brought up orca's i guess we could use that iteself as some kind of base for the escort carriers

and i dont think a domi on roids is the best way to describe it tho since its ment to be a week ship realy an shud have an escort
mebe and orca with a pee shooter would sound beter
Argaral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-03-29 04:31:40 UTC
While this is a great thread, it should be moved to Features and Idea's as it's for a new vessel rather than an existing. In saying that, it would scratch an itch for anyone with an alt who carebears; or for an alliance that can't field high amounts of supers but can field a lot of smaller ships such as battleships.
pyronatic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-29 05:42:35 UTC
I like the idea and would be very good to introduce with inferno and the new war decking systemBig smile
Skorpynekomimi
#12 - 2012-03-29 06:19:10 UTC
Not needed. The escort carrier was invented as a stopgap to stop U-boats raping convoys, during a war, when ships were hard to build due to time pressure.
EVE has not got that problem.
Carriers are ten a penny in null, and you don't tend to have convoys. And you can't exactly retrofit a freighter with a flat top and call it a carrier.

However, an EVE-ish measure would be another tier of BS-class hulls. Drone boats, basically, with fighters for tackling bigger ships, or just big drone bays for doing logistical stuff.

Economic PVP
Ceq Lysander
#13 - 2012-03-29 06:55:49 UTC
Came expecting another "hurr-durr I haz a new ship type" crackpot idea. Actually found a rather decent concept that I approve of.

Left surprisingly (and pleasantly) disappointed.

+1

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marVLs
#14 - 2012-03-29 07:15:40 UTC
+1 for high sec mini carier Big smile
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#15 - 2012-03-29 07:52:09 UTC
I am 100% sure this gets discussed monthly. These are the general problems that are discussed monthly:
- giving something BS sized T2 resists would result in 250-350K tanks and result in mission killdozer ships, even if only in lowsec
- fighters in hisec, you don't think this would result in station campers assigning 50 at atime to ceptors on undock? Yeah, great idea.
- cost is no issue, so making something Orca sized is no barrier to entry
- making it take BS 4 skill doesn't address fighter prerequisites, so this wouldn't be a nub boat by any means.
- so you decided to give it drones. Great, now it is a Domi on roids!
- what about utility slots, sure it won't have turrets but it could fit neuts and an Orca has a sodding massive pile of cap. *cough* domi on roids *cough*
- speaking of cap what would the active tanking be like? Oh, right, ridiculous, because people would want to drop faction boosters and play station games in hisec. Thats if they don't cloak, or sit at hisec POS's. Great, now its just like nullsec!
- how to make sane for wormholes? Impossibru! Its like a pop-up carrier for low end wormholes. (actually, the only positive implication of this concept)

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Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-03-29 10:55:36 UTC
looks like all you want is carrier with better tank and dps to print isk even faster while afk...
no!

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-29 11:24:02 UTC
I like this idea to be honest.

One thing I would suggest is allow it to use fighters if it's used in low/null but no fighters in hi sec, normal drones only

It would also need to have a limited drone bay and no jump drive. So may be one flight of fighters, one of heavies, one of medium and one flight of lights. This way it's not going to be overpowered

Oh and probably only a quarter the tank of a carrier. Just like a carrier, it will need a support fleet to avoid it being curb stomped.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-03-29 12:15:43 UTC
HIgh sec carrier: Dominix

High sec uber carrier: Rattlesnake
Kraschyn Thek'athor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-29 12:17:19 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:

- giving something BS sized T2 resists would result in 250-350K tanks and result in mission killdozer ships, even if only in lowsec
- fighters in hisec, you don't think this would result in station campers assigning 50 at atime to ceptors on undock? Yeah, great idea.
- cost is no issue, so making something Orca sized is no barrier to entry
- making it take BS 4 skill doesn't address fighter prerequisites, so this wouldn't be a nub boat by any means.
- so you decided to give it drones. Great, now it is a Domi on roids!
- what about utility slots, sure it won't have turrets but it could fit neuts and an Orca has a sodding massive pile of cap. *cough* domi on roids *cough*
- speaking of cap what would the active tanking be like? Oh, right, ridiculous, because people would want to drop faction boosters and play station games in hisec. Thats if they don't cloak, or sit at hisec POS's. Great, now its just like nullsec!
- how to make sane for wormholes? Impossibru! Its like a pop-up carrier for low end wormholes. (actually, the only positive implication of this concept)


T2 Resists:
Question is, should it be an Tech 2 Battleship derivat, or an own class, a "light carrier" class would be T1. With the upcoming skill change, you could fly it with racial bs IV and racial carrier I skill without capital ship skill necessary.

Station Camping:
Where is the diffence to quad sensor-booster Tornados with 1400mm? Except the Tornados will be cheaper.

Cap:
As long as the capacitor is more in line with battleships, no problem.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-03-29 12:20:30 UTC
Dibblerette wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
*cough* Domi on roids *cough*

A pvp combat viable T2 battleship? Gasp.


Actually they're not asking here for a simple high sec combat carrier, term used is "Escort carrier" and for some you would need 4 of those to match a SUPER CARRIER dps witch is 12k for a nyx, so 3k dps.

I hope you see where this is going?- ok, let me help you: isk printing machine but afk mode or ultra "I play with my alts, I'm not alone" killing incursions all day long.
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