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New Dev Blog: The 2012 Alliance Panel at Fanfest

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Saracha
#41 - 2012-03-29 00:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Please do not spread rumours. Spitfire
Sturmwolke
#42 - 2012-03-29 00:22:25 UTC
Right step forward. Professionalism and common courtesy should be observed at all times in public forums.
In bygone days, there were clear boundaries between appropiate and in-appropiate public behaviours - which I don't think many parents nowadays pass to their children.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-03-29 00:22:48 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Shandir wrote:
A 30 day ban and removal from the CSM, for a first offense of this nature is an acceptable response. You made the right decision in the face of open Goon threats (as is shown in this thread).
EVE will grow as a result of this commitment to keeping the game's open nature *within the game* - taking it to RL isn't acceptable and I'm glad you agree.

10,000 people might be angry with you, but a significant portion of 290,000 people are happy.

(Just to check, he is removed from the CSM as per your CSM candidate rules, right? The dev blog does not actually say that that I could find)


That isn't the big issue. The issue is, why is CCP changing Fanfest over a single incident in years of Fanfests. They are kneejerking as usual and dancing to the tune of a Sony. You do realize what Sony is going to do to EVE right?


Let me guess, wearing a tin foil hat?

You do realize that if Mittens didn't say those few sentences in a live broadcast none of this would have happened?


He apologized, fell on his sword, and resigned.

Note, this is all after a presentation where NO ONE in attendance, including all of CCP said a word. CCP obviously didn't consider this worthy of any attention until someone batphoned them.


The people at CCP present there are getting an earful of this aswell at the moment, be sure of that.

Don't forget that they're humans aswell. Maybe they shared a similar opinion to yours at the moment and are being pointed to the facts about it right now. Just because you're in a corporation doens't mean you can't make mistakes, whatever you do. This kind of thing has never happened before and i'm sure the guys present at the presentation were not sure what to do about it at the time, it's only natural that this, as a learning experience, has not been handled properly initially.


Mittens is free to run for CSM again next time as far as i know. At that point everyone has learned from this and is ready to continue on with their lives. Continuing to rub salt in the wound might be the Goonswarm way but right now it's not helping anyone, least of all yourself.



No, the salt comes in 30 days

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-03-29 00:24:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
This isn't about Mittani, this is about CCP "growing up" and sanitizing fanfest and the game, which would be utterly terrible for the game and for the community. There's a reason I don't fly around the world for a week to go to Blizzcon.
stoicfaux
#45 - 2012-03-29 00:26:36 UTC
+1, rounding up. We all have to sober up eventually.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-03-29 00:28:56 UTC
Aryth wrote:

No, the salt comes in 30 days


Now..THATS what im talking about.

I'm getting my cap stable covert ops just so i can sit and watch in Jita.

It will be.. glorious!
DelightSucker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-03-29 00:35:20 UTC
Zhentar wrote:
Burn Everything. This is a terrible decision and had been resolved by the offender.


Unless Mittani can go back in time and make us all forget that's not the case,

Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#48 - 2012-03-29 00:39:38 UTC
I wouldn't have gone so far as removing him from the CSM after he resigned as chairman.

Ah well, its done now. Make sure you talk with the other CSM members to smooth over the hard feelings as good as it still can be done.
Diamonica Norya
Pro Synergy
#49 - 2012-03-29 00:40:15 UTC
Zhentar wrote:
Burn Everything. This is a terrible decision and had been resolved by the offender.


By a long shot, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
DaiTengu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-03-29 00:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: DaiTengu
Good Job, raging pubbies. This is why we can't have nice things.
Bhaal Chinnian
#51 - 2012-03-29 00:52:53 UTC
Anela Cistine wrote:
CCP, will you also be censuring the moderator who allowed the supposedly EULA breaking activity to pass without comment? How about the employees who broadcast and rebroadcast the pannel without bleeping out the offending bits?

This

"CCP in no way condones the harassment of players"--dev blog explanation of the event

BULL ******* ****! YOU ******* HYPOCRITES CCP!

Also, did you even bother to contact or find out who this person was that Mittani was referring to? I seriously DOUBT IT, because you are too busy trying to cover your ass under the pretext of morality. Don't pretend like you ******* care about this anonymous subscriber. How many other weak people have been harassed so much in this game that they offed themselves? You DON'T KNOW because you never gave a **** until a well known player said some remark at your stupid little spaceship sausagefest and some gimp in your employ forgot to show up at his CCP censoring class thus failing at his/her job.

p.s. I give <= 2 ***** about Mittani or the goons.

'A Good Plan executed today is better than a perfect plan executed next week'-- George Patton

Mikhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
#52 - 2012-03-29 00:53:13 UTC
Li Malak wrote:
Your so-called 'Director for Marketing' should resign now, because CCP has ****** itself by banning The Mittani from CSM 7. You have disenfranchised over 10,000 accounts.


Poor goon.... want a tissue for your tears?

There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared. 

Diamonica Norya
Pro Synergy
#53 - 2012-03-29 00:54:47 UTC
DaiTengu wrote:
Good Job, raging pubbies. This is why we can't have nice things.


maybe the other way round, what happened prior to the decision was the reason why we didn't have nice things
Udonor
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-03-29 00:58:39 UTC
Yup PR-wise live broadcast makes a huge difference over small room.

No - when mistakes are made in front of an audience the sponsors very seldom jump up immediately to call more attention to it.

#1 they usually want to decide on official punishments before making an official response.
#2 responses made on the fly quite often make things worse - especially if a nervous on the spot authority garbles things such that it sounds like he agreeded with the faux paus.


In the future CCP will obviously add in a delay to live broadcasts. I suspect 1-2 minutes as CCP is not professional in business of censoring. They may even add a pause button to be able to call for a higher ruling.

LOL - CCP may force speakers to physically choose between 3 buttons before answering any question (a) no comment (b) inappropriate to respond in this forum (c) question accepted. The audience would see the light and be required move to another question if not accepted. Enforcing the old stop and think.

I suspect that questions to speakers might also need to be submitted via chat for CCP moderater approval. Then when you get a green light at your chair you read out your question -- White House press conference style. Because apparently the challenging nature of the questions in some way directed the non-PC response in this case. This is not the first time a speaker has responded inappropriately to a question that in retrospect they should have ignored. Those who are not regular public speakers often feel they need to respond to every question -- rather than dodging with "no comment" or "it would be inappropriate for me to respond in this forum".
Jim Luc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-03-29 01:02:41 UTC
It's a sad day when a drunken offhand comment under someone's breath can be taken as "harassment". Should we now take upon ourselves the responsibility for everyone who cries "suicide"? This whole "anti-bullying" thing sets a very bad precedent. And I don't even condone Mittani's actions! He was obviously wasted, and acted the fool, however the reaction to this is really troublesome, that this molehill will turn into such a mountain...

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Unless they're from Mittani."
Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#56 - 2012-03-29 01:06:07 UTC
Let's not get confused. The Mittani wasn't asked for the players name, or even directed to answer the question. It wasn't a question
The commenter during the Q&A said, "By the way, that guy has joined (some group) and then got kicked out of there too.
There was no need for further comment, and there certainly wasn't a good reason to respond with the character's name and the CTA that Mittens gave.
Udonor
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-03-29 01:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Udonor
Sanatize EVE?

OMG no.

But CCP wants to makes sure what happens on EVE -- stays in EVE.



Think -->
#1 Possible viral video with game owners trademark stamp calling for efforts to make someone kill themselves RL?
#2 And no punishment or official condemnation from game owners?

PR nightmare in world outside EVE.
Sounds like typical national news fare to me.


Younger players have parents who are unaware of convos.

Some PC business and organizations have been known to pry into the private gaming life of employees and fire them for playing morally reprehensible games. It happened to D&D in the mid-80s.

Hell I am sure Obama and English PM would make calls protesting this corruption of morality and threatening trade embargoes or revoking business licenses -- or some such inconvenient garbage.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-03-29 01:17:49 UTC
This game is changing and will continue to change, the days of Fanfest being a bunch of drunks hamming it up was over the minute that CCP partnered with Sony and entered the mega corp world of entertainment.

It is sad to see so much Goonie whining here the last couple days. I thought tough guys and bad guys were made of stiffer stuff.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.

Wakai Misago
Taapon Industries
#59 - 2012-03-29 01:21:11 UTC

In other news the upcoming INFERNO patch will now be renamed FIRESIDE. All fleet battles will be replaced by hearty discourse, where noone ever says anything mean........
Udonor
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-03-29 01:25:20 UTC
What no cries from the other side about religious tolerance?

Church of Darwin: Bullies exist to make sure the weak don't breed.

Always a few honest true believer types. Just don't make your love of EVE too obvious to the RL world.

I still want to play in the house CCP built. Please don't incite the mob to set it on fire.