EVE General Discussion

May 22nd according to an article on golem.de the day before yesterday (inferno patch. i think destroyers will start first)

Are they really basing it on skill level or on the ships you can fly? Technically speaking they could provide the latter by just making you BC3 across the board unless you can fly command ships, which also need cruiser 5 if I'm recalling correct (at work).

I hope they lower the SP required for these skills. If they're going to make you train 4 BC instead of just one then it shouldn't be a 5x or whatever it is. They should drop it an x or two. Of course, that would make brewing Drake alts a little on the fast side...

I -think- that you would get Min BC 5 even if you don't have Min Cruiser trained. Look at it this way, CCP's intention seems to be to disrupt your skill training as little as possible. Now I have command ships trained right now, but I can't fly Min command ships because I don't have Min Cruiser 5. If I decided I wanted to fly the Claymore though, I would train Min Cruiser 5, 20 days, and jump in it. Similarly if you don't have Min cruiser at all, but wanted to train it, you could jump in a hurricane, but if they don't give you the skills for that post patch, they are forcing you to add the extra Min BC training time, effectivly making you train something that you have at this moment, regardless of your ability to fly that specific ship.

Now if they don't give me Min BC 5, and I decide I want to fly the Claymore, I have to train Min Cruiser 5 THEN train Min BC 5 (40ish days). CCP has doubled the time it takes me to get into a ship post patch compared to pre patch. I'd certainly qualify that as disrupting my skill training. Again, I -think- that they are trying to disrupt things as little as possible, that seems to be the idea they have in mind. How exactly they implement it and where they draw the line I don't know.

Your right, I don't think they've completely thought through all the consequences (or if they have in meetings, they haven't shared). I don't think there's a way to do it though that won't have a negative effect on what you can fly now without reimbursing all 4 racial BC/destroyer skills even if you only fly 1 race. There's a lot of guesswork going into it on my part though :P

My advice to my corp mates is to train all the cruiser and frigs to 4 (or whatever) right now, it's not a long train, and then destroyer 5 and BC 5 (like a month and a half there). It's a little long, but at that point you should be able to fly everything available and you should be reimbursed with level 5 skills after.

Unless they change their mind, I don't think so, reference

Also

Nothing is mentioned about having cruiser (or any other pre-req) to any level, "having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5" seems pretty clear. However, as has been pointed out, there may be instances where you could have BC to 5, but not a racial cruiser, so you couldn't fly the ship, violating the "already fly" clause. I'm erring on the side of you'll get it though because...

i really don't thiunk they will give you all bc lv5 if you only have the 1 trained

i think it will be based on your cruiser skill

ie if you have bc 5

gall cruiser 4

amarr cruiser 3

caldari cruiser 5

mini cruiser 4

you will get

gall bc 4

amarr bc 3

caldari bc 5

mini bc 4

that would be a fair way to do it but giving us all 5 for bc 5 would be great but that would defeat the point of changing in the first place

If they did it that way they would be removing bonuses people already trained for.

They haven't said anything, but god, that would suck. If they broke down all the T2 ships into racials it would likely knock me up into the next clone bracket.

I thought about this before, posted in one of the early threads.

With the launcher, an in game skill check prior to patch would be excellent

I viewed it as follows, first patch day. This will set up a mirror point for a skillcheck. Any skill training after it would only reimburse sp. (so no 1 month ghost training of BC5 past patch day). Ergo, if a destroyer/battlecruiser skill is partially trained or completes training after a set point, you just get sp

second, a check for battlecruiser or destroyer skill, for whichever first applies, it will look at your cruiser/frigate skills. You would get equivelant battlecruiser/destroyer skill for any faction you have the cruiser/frigate level high enough

last, any prereq skill that changed to higher for a ship (Ie cruiser 4, frig 4 from 3) would get buffed

This would allow anybody to log in to not even notice any changes, aside from your sp would increase accordingly in listing.

After log in, a msg would pop up saying any sp reimbursed as well as to inform to check your clone.

Hmmm....

So what happens if you have all 4 crusier skills trained to III or higher...
Battlecruisers IV...

And Battlecruisers V half trained?

Spy

No racial T2 skills.

They're separating the skills into two distinct categories: racial T1 skills that give you access to hulls, and general T2 skills that give you access to roles (and the variants of the hulls the T1 skills give you).

The fact that you don't necessarily need to spend them on the BC skills, and thus can suddenly make a huge jump in your ability to do something completely unrelated.