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Lo-Sec Mammoth (MWD / Cloak Trick)
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Stahlman Petersen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-28 14:38:07 UTC
So, can the mammoth be a legitimate Lo-Sec hauler. I'm assuming no smart bombing and bubbles.

I'm a 1.5 month character, so the skill points are pretty limited. Here's what I came up with:

[High-Slots]
Improved cloaking device II

[Med-Slots]
10MN Microwarpdrive

[Low-Slots]
Micro Auxillary Power Core I
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

[Rigs]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

This setup gives me a 14K m3 cargohold. This seems to be about the best I can do with maximizing the cargo while still meeting the power requirements. It doesn't require any level V skills (jury rigging IV is the worst).

My question, though, is it worth it? Will the align time be quick enough to get an insta-warp after align with only one cycle of cloak and MWD?
Yabba Addict
Legion of the Many
#2 - 2012-03-28 15:11:47 UTC
Worth fitting 90 mil rigs on a T1 hauler for low sec work, relying on mwd/cloak trick? Almost certainly
Stahlman Petersen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-28 16:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Stahlman Petersen
Oof. You're right, the tech II routers have to go. That means cutting a cargohold expander and replacing with a power core. Which makes it:

[High-Slots]
Improved cloaking device II

[Med-Slots]
10MN Microwarpdrive

[Low-Slots]
Micro Auxillary Power Core I
Micro Auxillary Power Core I
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

[Rigs]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Which drops the cargohold down to 10.9k m3.

This is cheap enough that I'll at least give it a try. But will it be able to reliably get through low-sec gate camps?
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Phoibe Enterprises
#4 - 2012-03-28 16:25:07 UTC
Stahlman Petersen wrote:
This is cheap enough that I'll at least give it a try. But will it be able to reliably get through low-sec gate camps?


If they have fast decloakers you're ******. If they don't, you're OK.
Pyro Tsu
Sarum Industries
#5 - 2012-03-28 17:31:38 UTC
I've run countless tours (more than a hundred entries/exits) through lowsec in my beloved Mammoth without having been killed. Doing that I have relied on that fact that it needs several ships to kill a Mammoth before it warps away. Fast tacklers are very rare there, in a whole year I've only seen a single Assault Frig fulfilling that role. If it tried to prevent you warping by bumping into you, you are screwed (and decloaked); but most certainly you will be scrambled or disrupted by larger vessels.

Fit 2-3 Warp Core Stabilizer, a cloak (to wait on a safe-spot should they hunt you) maximize your shield and resistances and you're good. My rigs are Medium Expanded Cargohold T1 btw.

Mind you, nullsec is a completely different field.
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Stetson Eagle
Paird Technology
#6 - 2012-03-28 17:51:21 UTC
I'd test it with 1MN mwd first to see if that does the trick in less align time; 10MN might be detrimental and it's a pain to fit. Can fit stabs / align mods in the place of the PG mods if it works.
Melina Lin
Universal Frog
#7 - 2012-03-28 19:57:26 UTC
[Mammoth, New Setup 1]
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


Needs Engineering V, but it's a quick re-fit to normal cargo mammoth.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#8 - 2012-03-28 20:02:55 UTC
I usually do something like this:

[Mammoth, current low sec]
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Prototype Cloaking Device I
[empty high slot]

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


I don't usually do the MWD cloak thing, but my skills are high enough that I can usually align and leave before a low sec gate camp can throw enough at me to worry me. However I will admit that I do my research on the map before I start moving, checking for number of jumps and ships destroyed in the last hour for example. I also never use the 'direct paths' to trade hubs. The cloak is for when it all goes wrong and you need to hide mid system at a safe spot.

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Stahlman Petersen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-29 13:50:36 UTC
For anyone still interested in this, I fit the above ship (without the tech II rigs).

It works well. You can cloak while aligning and insta-warp after the MWD cycle. I have gone through some 0.4 systems while trading without problem.

Doesn't mean I've gone through an active gate camp. If they can't target you, you'll never really know, I suppose. But the setup does work.

If you want a 'poor man's' blockade runner for trading in low sec, the MWD/Cloak on an industrial is a viable alternative. You actually get slightly more cargo hold then a blockade runner.

The downside, of course, is that the MWD/cloak trick is completely useless in a bubble. So getting through bubbles in null sec would be problematic. However, for low-sec gate camps, MWD/Cloak on an industrial is perfectly fine.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#10 - 2012-03-29 14:26:57 UTC
Stahlman Petersen wrote:
For anyone still interested in this, I fit the above ship (without the tech II rigs).

It works well. You can cloak while aligning and insta-warp after the MWD cycle. I have gone through some 0.4 systems while trading without problem.

Doesn't mean I've gone through an active gate camp. If they can't target you, you'll never really know, I suppose. But the setup does work.

If you want a 'poor man's' blockade runner for trading in low sec, the MWD/Cloak on an industrial is a viable alternative. You actually get slightly more cargo hold then a blockade runner.

The downside, of course, is that the MWD/cloak trick is completely useless in a bubble. So getting through bubbles in null sec would be problematic. However, for low-sec gate camps, MWD/Cloak on an industrial is perfectly fine.


Actually you do not need to use 2 micros to fit it:


[Mammoth, New Setup 1]
Reactor Control Unit II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

I feel soiled now ... Sad
Stahlman Petersen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-03-30 14:58:00 UTC
Crellion wrote:
Stahlman Petersen wrote:
For anyone still interested in this, I fit the above ship (without the tech II rigs).

It works well. You can cloak while aligning and insta-warp after the MWD cycle. I have gone through some 0.4 systems while trading without problem.

Doesn't mean I've gone through an active gate camp. If they can't target you, you'll never really know, I suppose. But the setup does work.

If you want a 'poor man's' blockade runner for trading in low sec, the MWD/Cloak on an industrial is a viable alternative. You actually get slightly more cargo hold then a blockade runner.

The downside, of course, is that the MWD/cloak trick is completely useless in a bubble. So getting through bubbles in null sec would be problematic. However, for low-sec gate camps, MWD/Cloak on an industrial is perfectly fine.


Actually you do not need to use 2 micros to fit it:


[Mammoth, New Setup 1]
Reactor Control Unit II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

I feel soiled now ... Sad


This fit doesn't work with my skills. It requires Energy Grid Upgrades V as well as better power management than what my 1 month old character can do. Something to shoot for, though. P
Rivur'Tam
the united
#12 - 2012-03-31 01:48:40 UTC
I'm not sure if this is an exploit but it should be

its abusing game machanics and makes you invinible in low sec

and yes fags that do it make me madOopsOops

u want to use a cloak thereis plenty of ships that can warped cloak use them not engough space adapt and make 2 trips there is no counter for the mwd its broken game design

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Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#13 - 2012-03-31 08:03:48 UTC
Rivur'Tam wrote:
I'm not sure if this is an exploit but it should be

its abusing game machanics and makes you invinible in low sec

and yes fags that do it make me madOopsOops

u want to use a cloak thereis plenty of ships that can warped cloak use them not engough space adapt and make 2 trips there is no counter for the mwd its broken game design

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Scrams
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Marsan
#14 - 2012-03-31 08:35:51 UTC
Honestly I find the shield mods aren't worth having, and you want a warp stab in the low. It will save your ass time and time again.

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