EVE General Discussion

Thank you sir, then I will seriously consider reading it.

Sorry, didn't mean to come off as a misreading. It was more a... cannot think of correct term... satyrical analysis of the situation. I repect the flavour goons bring to eve. The new players that join them, stay true. Also if eve shuts down, not really any other game where a goon can be a goon and have it be a part of the game mechanic. Eve is a game, but many people put time, money, and it is like any hobby. It is human nature, loss of investment brings frustration. Actions taken too far in the name of goon and eve in the end is it not more detrimental to the game environment than good? Been checking out other forums today, and the most common statement is "yup, that pretty much sums up eve"

Goons are well known, unfortunately too well known, the chest bashing kings of space goon attitude is considered by many outsiders to be what eve generally is. People want to preserve the PvP intense, harsh environment. But need new players to bring dollars. Let carebears be carebears, go hunting and thieving. Driving and keeping new players out is what is the attitude however from what I have found. I want eve to be grand, break the 100k simul log in regularily. Break 3000 man fleet fights. Get income into the game so serious and higher paced dev work can occur, but that all comes down to reputation of the game.

More stuff. Piles of industrialists and mission runners are not going to kill the game. Sure there is an inflation problem, specially due to botting, but they need money for new mechanics development. That they need more players. An "impure eve" or "fetid" is not a bad thing, they stay in their part of space, making toys to go to war. They enter null space, more targets. Or be it forbidden, they actually get good at pvp, join other alliances and challenge goons?

Brings up an interesting point, would goons be a powerhouse if eve was more mainstream and had a larger playerbase? Would the demographic change result in them being outclassed as a powerblock?

The Anti-Swarm is upon us.

Fixed that for you....

I hate to ruin your lead, but 10,000 isn't a mandate from a playerbase of 250,000 people (give or take.) The mandate? As I said before the electioneering began, APATHY won this election, as it has won all the ones before.

If you want to get down and dirty with a psych read, nailbiting is nailbiting, digital nailbiting is digital nailbiting. There is never enough, and there is no goal. However, with digital nailbiting, there's no physical gratification of actually tearing flesh. It amounts to mouse clicks and keyboard pressing - face-rolling after a while.

Even goons have a low tolerance for blind repetition. What dooms them is what they are, indeed. They've embarked on an enterprise that leads to nothing, satisfies nothing, and will become mundane enough to make their little minds wander soon enough.

What you don't say is another possibility. Suppose Goonwaffle decides to go trash Dora the Explorer, 'cause nothing they do in EVE satisfies their digital nailbiting urges anymore. You say thousands of subs will be lost? True dat. But, with the exodus of this ilk will come news of it, and thousands who refuse to play as long as they're here will subscribe as soon as they learn they're gone.

Eve-olution. It's a nice thing. Let nature take its course.

Definitely a truth post. You are right about goons imploding on a regular basis. The observation was that only implosion can actually cause Goons a setback. Not to mention: history has shown that even catastrophic levels of "****-goons," do not set them back for very long.

Hence, the Anti-Swarm. Why not make some good PR while taking down the evil empire? The victory would be even more enjoyable than the war, as you would have hundreds of corps and alliances suddenly turning on one another, filling the power vacuum. Once the Goons are defeated, that is. One goal, many paths.

As I said earlier, EVE is a trust game which honestly requires a common origin for players who want to organize in large numbers. You could try to build a 10,000 strong coalition on nothing more than dissolute "anti-goon," sentiment, but it would be doomed to fail from the get go. I would give any such up-start a few weeks before they were completely riddled with spies, awoxed, and hotdropped into oblivion.

Assuming you meant organizing the non-CFC alliances for the task: most of them hate one another far more than they hate goonswarm and I find it hard to believe any of them could put aside their differences for what amounts to pushing the reset button on goon sov. for a few months.

I don't feel worried and I agree with your assessment of the sandbox being great because it allows for a plethora of gameplay. All I am offering here is a dispassionate accounting of what I view as the pushback against increasing goonswarm influence and staying power on EVE.

Still better than a Xenuria thread