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Backlash: The Victory of Goonswarm

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-03-28 01:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
So let me see (assuming everyone is paying a subscription in one form or another), your going to use 3% subscriptions to blackmail CCP or else by your "glorious delussions" they are going to lose 100% of them. And you expect them not to do anything about this to prevent the ambitions of those 3% in favour of the remaining 97%? Best of luck Roll
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-03-28 01:51:39 UTC
Xython wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
Can someone who speaks pseudo-intellectual-pubbie translate this for me?


"Har Har Har, we might be destroying EVE's reputation in the media, but we sure showed those goonies!!1"


By that logic, we're all assholes because we're mad that Hitler began the holocaust.

/Godwin

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green

The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-03-28 01:51:40 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
So let me see (assuming everyone is paying a subscription in one form or another), your going to use 3% subscriptions to blackmail CCP or else by your "glorious delussions" they are going to lose 100% of them. And you expect them not to do anything about this to prevent the ambitions of those 3% in favour of the remaining 97%? Best of luck Roll


My supposition is that CCP will respond in the interest of this anti-goon sentiment to curb the griefing behavior that we have come to expect as the norm.
Revii Lagoon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-03-28 02:00:38 UTC
Your tears, they fill me with joy

~Deal with it~
The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-03-28 02:01:03 UTC
Diesel wrote:
The goons will cast themselves upon their own sword, just as the Mittani and previous goon alliances of the past, indeed!

Make the end come sooner! Occupy VFK today


If it were as simple as that, it would have been done. The only thing that has toppled the goons in the past has been internal strife. There is no external power consolidated enough to oust them. Assuming that a massive coalition arrived today and took all of goonswarm space by the end of the month there would be no great cry for The Mittani's resignation. Players would know that goons were mere mortals and had no more entrenched power than most large alliances.

Unfortunately we all know that simply cannot happen. Even Pandemic Legion, probably the most powerful mobile space-raping entity that EVE has ever seen, has no chance against goonswarm. It is even doubtful that the combined powers of PL and the old guard of Raiden and Northern Coalition. could accomplish this task.

It does not take a great stretch of the imagination to understand the out-groups mentality here. They realize that they have been defeated and completely enslaved to the will of an overlord that publicly flaunts their intent to drive them out of the game and potentially to suicide. They have been armed this week with a single weapon to fight back with. Is it any surprise that they are vigorously utilizing it?
The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-03-28 02:03:36 UTC
Revii Lagoon wrote:
Your tears, they fill me with joy

~Deal with it~


As we can see here there is no argument to the contrary. The in-group represented by the CFC knows that my posts are absolutely true.

Thank you for the confirmation.
Modal Noki
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-03-28 02:14:21 UTC
The Greater Groon wrote:
It is even doubtful that the combined powers of PL and the old guard of Raiden and Northern Coalition. could accomplish this task.


PL and TRI could easily run gewnz out of space. They aren't doing it because there is no reason to grind all those structures just to put an end to a lot of goodfites.
Kojach Baumherr
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-03-28 02:14:30 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Reality Check:
10,058 votes for Mittani. Let's assume they're all Goons.

59,109 votes were cast for the CSM.

Voter turnout was a measly 16.63%. Which means there were 59,109 /.1663 = 355,436 eligible voters.

10,058 / 355,436 = 2.8%

The Goons comprise at most 2.8% of the player base. Are you really saying that 2.8% of the accounts are dominating the 355,000+ accounts in Eve? If the Goons were really that bothersome, the Non-Goon portion of the player base would wipe them out.

source for numbers: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529


sp for voting imo
Kyle Yanowski
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#29 - 2012-03-28 02:27:49 UTC
A long time ago, there was a boy who had a father that beat him mercilessly. Every time the boy was beaten, his mother would care for him, nurture him, and comfort him. Years passed as this happened everyday; his father would beat him, and his mother would heal him. Eventually the boy grew into a man, and eventually his mother grew old and passed away. At the funeral, the boy stood over his mothers casket, yet, he could not shed a tear. No matter how hard he tried, he could not cry for the woman that cared for him after every beating. Years passed again, and eventually his father died. At his fathers funeral, the man looked down at his father, and broke down, sobbing.

+1 to whoever understands why I posted this in this thread.


Host of the High Drag Eve Online Podcast ( http://highdrag.wordpress.com). Director of Aideron Robotics.

The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-03-28 03:04:17 UTC
Modal Noki wrote:
The Greater Groon wrote:
It is even doubtful that the combined powers of PL and the old guard of Raiden and Northern Coalition. could accomplish this task.


PL and TRI could easily run gewnz out of space. They aren't doing it because there is no reason to grind all those structures just to put an end to a lot of goodfites.


That is inconsistent with reality.
The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-03-28 03:15:56 UTC
Kyle Yanowski wrote:
A long time ago, there was a boy who had a father that beat him mercilessly. Every time the boy was beaten, his mother would care for him, nurture him, and comfort him. Years passed as this happened everyday; his father would beat him, and his mother would heal him. Eventually the boy grew into a man, and eventually his mother grew old and passed away. At the funeral, the boy stood over his mothers casket, yet, he could not shed a tear. No matter how hard he tried, he could not cry for the woman that cared for him after every beating. Years passed again, and eventually his father died. At his fathers funeral, the man looked down at his father, and broke down, sobbing.

+1 to whoever understands why I posted this in this thread.




Your observation that most of EVE has Stockholm Syndrome is astute.

The player base as a whole is far too fragmentend to generate the kind of "epic," content that EVE is famous for. Metagaming was not an invention of goonswarm, but they made metagaming what it is today and many non-goons supplant their own lack of gaming experience with the posting of goon members, living vicariously through the torture they inflict on other players.

In one way or another the game truly does revolve around the exponential griefplay of goonswam on the universe around us; however, that escalation has finally proved to be untenable. The increased venom has reached a potency that even many goonswam allies and members have a problem with. The reaction of the hardened player base will pale in comparison to that of the world at large.

We have reached the critical mass illustrated by the abused child looking down on the dying figure of his father. We know he is the sole source of our pain, but he also shaped our very existence in the world.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#32 - 2012-03-28 03:19:20 UTC
The Greater Groon wrote:
Misanth wrote:
There's just noone to vote for, simple as.


Precisely the problem that I struck upon. There is no vote against the goons. There is no attack on the goons. The goons have long since become the ultimate power in EVE tempered only by the aging vanguard of PL and other super-capital entities that do not see eye to eye with their policy.

When fighting back in-game or by the CSM became impossible these players looked for any available opportunity to take the fight back to the goons. The opportunity presented itself with The Mittani's presentation and now we are seeing just how much everyone hates the goons, enough to ruin the game for everyone.


Why don't you write a blog about it.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.

Liam Mirren
#33 - 2012-03-28 03:19:30 UTC
Xython wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
Can someone who speaks pseudo-intellectual-pubbie translate this for me?


"Har Har Har, we might be destroying EVE's reputation in the media, but we sure showed those goonies!!1"


Goons caring about EVE's reputation? Cultural victory right there.


Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-03-28 03:22:30 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Why don't you write a blog about it.


I will seriously consider it.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-03-28 03:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
If goons are winning, why has there been so many changes to all you hold dear? Contracts changed making scamming alot tougher. Concord response time improve. Aww, no concord insurance any more? Wait, is that PvE content, and an expansion full of new player tutorial stuff? We need to do more for the rookies since replenishing our player base pays the bills. Is to bad instead of fleshing the game out we have to do this to help protect them from griefers before they quit eve prior to learning how to play it.

If eve is a pvp game, why do they keep having to cater to and do so much dev work for the new players instead of more endgame stuff? Oh, that is because the retention rate is so low because of the level of new player harassment. Hey, high sec piracy is part of eve. But CCP needs new players to keep eve. Do some of you guys ever think about that before you act and then whine not enough vet content/sov/pos work is done? Either that or is your actual goal to see eve servers shut down, I mean seriously, eve is a business, they need money. It isn't a charity for socially repressed gamers.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-03-28 03:28:44 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:

Goons caring about EVE's reputation? Cultural victory right there.


It is my understanding that goons have cared about the game for quite a long time, actually. This causes the paradox I mentioned earlier. Their affection for EVE as a uniquely goon-friendly environment for griefing where they are widely popular for their antics has finally met diminishing returns. The coup de grace they hoped to achieve by controlling the CSM for another term and simultaneously rubbing their dominant position into the faces of the rest of the playerbase has caused their escalating griefplay to become their achillies heel.

The cultural victory is not that they care for EVE, but that EVE players have finally questioned their own long-held "htfu," belief to try and break the stranglehold that goons and goon allies have on the game.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#37 - 2012-03-28 03:31:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
The Greater Groon wrote:

With each subsequent effort by the goons to up the ante, to mock the response to The Mittani's comments, to continue their pointless crusade... they come one step closer to loosing completely.



It's spelled LOSING.

L
O
S
I
N
G.


One (1) "o", not 2. Not 3.

ONE (1).

In fact, exactly the same number of O's in the number ONE.

ONE.

LOSING.

Pyrrhic?

Quote:
A Pyrrhic victory (/ˈpɪrɪk/) is a victory with such a devastating cost to the victor that it carries the implication that another such victory will ultimately cause defeat.


Urm.

What devastating cost? What victory? How does the 10k votes have anything to do with what's going on now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Where I am.

The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-03-28 03:33:38 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
If goons are winning, why has there been so many changes to all you hold dear? Contracts changed making scamming alot tougher. Concord response time improve. Aww, no concord insurance any more? Wait, is that PvE content, and an expansion full of new player tutorial stuff? We need to do more for the rookies since replenishing our player base pays the bills. Is to bad instead of fleshing the game out we have to do this to help protect them from griefers before they quit eve prior to learning how to play it.

If eve is a pvp game, why do they keep having to cater to and do so much dev work for the new players instead of more endgame stuff? Oh, that is because the retention rate is so low because of the level of new player harassment. Hey, high sec piracy is part of eve. But CCP needs new players to keep eve. Do some of you guys ever think about that before you act and then whine not enough vet content/sov/pos work is done? Either that or is your actual goal to see eve servers shut down, I mean seriously, eve is a business, they need money. It isn't a charity for socially repressed gamers.


Quite a mis-reading of what goon "hold dear," i'm afraid.

Goonswarm and The Mittani in particular have long championed the cause of the new player. Their in-house recruitment is likely responsible for some of the highest newbie retention around. Bear in mind that they have every reason to support this over iteration on things like sov because in doing so they cement their status as the highest order of power in the game. Not only do they dominate the sov game, but they also vet the incoming newbies in a way that no other groups can.

The extrapolation of the current situation in EVE is not that the servers shut down, it's that goonswarm continues to be one of the only places where new players can thrive and the rest of the game continues to stagnate and churn under it's collective weight.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#39 - 2012-03-28 03:34:23 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
Can someone who speaks pseudo-intellectual-pubbie translate this for me?


"Durpa Durpa, I can user words and not spell goodz, but I think Mittani is a extra speshul bad goon. I must create alt to post with because my total lack of male/female parts makes me try to make up for my lack of being relevant."



Does that help?

Where I am.

The Greater Groon
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-03-28 03:34:46 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:

It's spelled LOSING.


Thank you for spotting my typo. I trust if you have anything content-worthy to add to your post you will do so at a later date.