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Exploration, what up with this?

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Zircon Dasher
#21 - 2012-03-28 20:52:51 UTC
If you really want to annoy all those people using DSP's, or hunting bands in general, take the extra min or so to run the mags and radars. Nothing is more irritating than having those sigs respawning and ruining your list of ID's to ignore. lol

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Kirith Vespira
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-03-28 21:00:44 UTC
Does anyone have a rough idea on the frequency of Ladar in high? Never seen one in my years playing, but curious...
Zircon Dasher
#23 - 2012-03-28 21:04:36 UTC
not as common as wh
more common than.... BlOps running L4's

They seem to clump in certain areas.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-03-29 05:41:10 UTC
Kirith Vespira wrote:
Does anyone have a rough idea on the frequency of Ladar in high? Never seen one in my years playing, but curious...

I saw a few in the high sec island in Aridia region (near Haimeh solar system if I recall correctly). It was one of the low-tier nebula sites that's less profitable to mine than normal belt 'roids.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#25 - 2012-03-29 08:36:32 UTC

Quote:
My choice while scanning:
Primary targets are RADAR (hacking V with t2 equipment is a must, implants and rigs are important)
Secondary targets are MAGNETOMETRICS (salvage V for t2 salvager and archeology V for analyzer t2 are a must, else u leave a lot of treasures behind).
Then the rest of the sites i am after: Ladar Combats, Pirate DED3 or 4 plexes, hard complexes, the expeditions in there and their escalations.


radars and mags should be a noob priority...you know why? opportunity cost. The time you spend scanning those sites/running those sites is better spent finding the better sites. They are great for noobs that can't do the good DEDs and unrateds without a tengu beating them, but once you can effectively find and do those sites, radars/mags should be ignored.

Additionally, if you ignore these sites, you leave them for others to find. When another person finds that radar, thats one less person scanning for DEDs/unrated sites.

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There is so much competition in empire that leaving RADARs as a distraction for others won't make the slightest difference.

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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-03-29 09:22:51 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
If you really want to annoy all those people using DSP's, or hunting bands in general, take the extra min or so to run the mags and radars. Nothing is more irritating than having those sigs respawning and ruining your list of ID's to ignore. lol

It'll take them less than a minute to scan them to 25% and see they're Radar/Mags. Now if they were wormholes, that'd be more annoying.

If you really wanted to troll them, you'd wait in the last room until they warp in, then pop the overseer and loot it in front of them, then paste (Photoshopped) screencaps showing that it dropped 1 billion+ in loot.
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
#27 - 2012-03-29 11:36:16 UTC
Kirith Vespira wrote:
Does anyone have a rough idea on the frequency of Ladar in high? Never seen one in my years playing, but curious...

In my experience they're the least frequent type of site in hisec, but not that rare either. Maybe 1 in 10-15 systems.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2012-03-29 12:03:15 UTC
Off topic and inappropriate comments removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

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Bent Barrel
#29 - 2012-03-29 15:20:04 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
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this is not exactly true. since radars and mags are scattered over all the signature spectrum in k-space, you cannot avoid them after the initial scan, you have to get them to show their type. radars are usualy pretty easy and fast money at all times. I do have a codebreaker but no salvager/analyzer on my exploration ship for that very reason.

also salvage is region dependent (serpentis are crap, blood raiders are good etc ...) radars are pretty even.



While you're right to an extent, the opportunity cost is still there. Now obviously it is dependent on the player if the opportunity cost is too high or not, but for me id rather spend my time checking the next system and getting a leg up on my fellow gso hunting tengus.


I usualy complete the radars while still in solar system map and scanning down the other sigs :-))) at least in highsec ...
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#30 - 2012-03-29 17:51:40 UTC
I really appreciate the intervention of CCP - thanks for the edits


I dont think that there is any general rule good enough for every region. In Derelik for example i have often enough a lot of Radars on the scanner. Allthough this is pure luck, it would be a pitty to leave them untouched, and yes, for me those sites are good 40% of my income

The plexes in this region are so often only "haunted yard" or similars. I barely find Sansha Vigils or Watch (hope this is the right one, sorry i have a german interface, so names may be different) or such sites. Those can be of course much more proficient if the right parts of loot drop like True Sansha Warp Scrambler as example

Like often when topics are discussed in a written form, the poster thinks that certain information is well known, though it isnt. I get mails and convos very often asking me about how to startup exploration and such, and i always hear of those, that they never found that or this - which i didnt find in the center and hi populated areas as well

You are right, that more sites pop, when more explorers are working on them in the same region. Unless there are so many explorers that more than one finds a site and also warps in or to it - and then troubles come up. Thats why i prefer the outer regions of hisec, and derelik is one of them.I prefer having less sites spawn but also having the sites i find for me alone instead of quarreling with 2 others over a faction spawn or nasty ninja salvagers come in. Less stress for me

About the values i can tell you, those are the numbers i get out of my excel spreadsheets and those are true for about the last 2 month. Sure it would be much more interesting to see this numbers over a time of like 12 month. As i am about to leave Derelik, since it gets crowded lately, the numbers wont change anymore. Maybe when i am back there in about 2 or 4 month i will continue them

As explorer you should have a wide spread site schema. Leaving sites is not the thing i like. Leaving salvage is also inacceptable. But i have to admit that i dont need to go to any station to change ships or change my equipment, since i am playing with 2 toons and my orca has enough bay for all ships i need and for the equipment. This also gives me possibilities a solo explorer does not have, like building up a POS to have a safespot in pirate systems or wormholes. I prefer to have all things i need with me. But i cannt go for all combat sites with a HAC, which is sometimes annoying

For ladar sites in high sec: In derelik in found some, but those are very rare. Ladar combats are only in low and nullsec, ive read somewhere. Those i found like 3 times in the last 2 month in derelik.

Cheers
Azemar
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#31 - 2012-03-30 03:31:34 UTC
The value for any site that gives salvage and archaeology solely depends on your region. It's best in Amarr because of Intact Armor Plates (each goes for like 15 mil and you can get 20+ from a site)
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-03-30 05:53:07 UTC
Intact Armor Plates and Capacitor Consoles* Big smile
Mnemosyne Gloob
#33 - 2012-03-30 08:37:46 UTC
Highsec scanners complaining about having to race other people in complexes *sigh*
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-03-30 08:41:05 UTC
Says the person who steals other people's Radar sites.
>:(
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