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[Proposal] - Additional ToS regarding in-game griefing and general asshattery
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Neuntausendeins
#41 - 2012-03-31 10:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausendeins
And then? CCP actually saw the Mail, and didn't do ****. Even CCP didn't know what to do or not to do. How can you expect a player, who is just paying to play the game and have fun to know better?

To make things clear - I don't care about the CSM, I don't care about Mittani, hell I don't even like that guy. This is not about the Mittani, this is a very Fundamental topic that concerns all of us. And for me, Fanfest is not just all that serious and Real-Life-ish. If I met you at Fanfest and you threatened to shoot me, laughing, reeking of alcohol and wearing a Wizards hat, would I call the police and have you arrested because I felt totally threatened? Hell no! This is still eve, right? It's Fanfest after all

Also - If it is that easy to draw the line between Ingame actions and real life actions as you say, why did the Mittani get a 30 day GAME ban for a what was labeled as a REAL LIFE act? Also - will the guy who threatened to kill himself (read: made a real life threat ingame in the first place) be sanctioned or will he be coddled and protected from the bad eve players

It is not as easy to draw a straight line between real life and the game, especially not with a game like eve. And that's what this is about.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#42 - 2012-03-31 10:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
1) They did not see the mail at the time it was written, which was months before the thing, because instead of petitioning it goonies used it to make fun of the writer.
2) You do not know and it is none of your business to know what has transpired between CCP, the guy, and local medical/legal authorities.
3) If you need CCP to tell you that it is not ok, under any circumstances, to publicly mock someone that might really be suicidal and entice others to go after him, you are the one who should not be playing EVE, because obviously you do not have the mental capability to differentiate between ingame shooting/banter and stuff that might be actually harmful that this kind of a game requires.
Neuntausendeins
#43 - 2012-03-31 10:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausendeins
They saw the mail "before the thing", months, days hours - who cares. They didn't have a clear rule to follow, how can you expect a player to have one? Hell, they didn't even see the problem. "Hey mittens, about that mail there - that could be a problem, don't show it" - they could easily have said that, but they didn't. THEY didn't know, but a player has to pay for not knowing. That's why I would like to see some kind of insurance in the TOS.

And that doesen't mean they should have a clear rule for every case they can or can't imagine, that is obviously impossible. But people have to understand and agree, that this game might neither be easy nor nice to them, when they start playing it and that there is a thing that we call metagame, be it fanfest, eve-kill, eve radio, forums, 3rd party software or whatever. and that they should either gtfo or htfu if they can't handle that.


PS

Jumping to my mind right now: You are right, what happens with this specific player is not my business, but what I have to expect, should a case like that occur again is. My question about him was purely rhetorical, as I care about his person as much as I care about the Mittanis - not at all. But I care about him in the role of a player, as I am one of those and might find myself in a situation similar to this one sooner or later.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-03-31 12:15:34 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
CCP does. And no matter how many rules you make, there will always be judgment calls involved in specific cases.


And that is where the problem is. Because the existent rules are not clearly defined so players have a big manoeuvre margin, witch leads to GM appreciation when you've crossed the line or not.

Now let me ask you, who the hell is random "x" named "CCP something" to decide when the line is crossed and based on what does he takes that decision?
-icelandic laws?
-icelandic way of living?
-icelandic vocabulary?

You guys should know where I want to go with my question. Thing is that without clear and proper rules it's no man's land wide open for a lot, real lot of things and stuff.
Eve is in need of some defined rules of behaviour you should not try to overcome. You'll have to at some point.
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