EVE General Discussion

Yeah, because we never have good press about Eve do we?

"Dude in game scams money worth $XXXXX"
"When Ponzi Schemes attack, how I took money from dumb people"
"CEO rips off investers"

these are the headlines that make the "media" about us. I doubt by this point something like "Dude who makes suicide threat over space pixels gets mocked" will really taint the public opinion about us any more than it already has been by 9 years of call outs relating to scams and underhanded dealings. And our complete lack of a moral compass too, forgot that one.

Those commenting on the EVE Community in those outside forums have had that opinion of EVE for years.

THIS incident had nothing to do with making them think bad about our community at all. It's just a reason for them to finally post about it. So no, the EVE community did nothing to make itself 'worse' in their eyes with this incident..

the mittani (can not capitalize it any longer) did the best job possible by himself.

ON FREAKING VIDEO no less.

That may well be true but, regardless, it is clearly not the fault of those in the game who share the distaste of the wider world for such actions that such actions are perceived badly in the wider world. Whether the current issue materially changes things is another issue. According to the OP it does and it is the fault of those who disapprove of what the Mittani did.

So, in another situation, say priests and alter boys, the Catholic Church should never have admitted that what had occurred actually occurred. And the alter boys should have kept their mouths shut. Interesting.

Unfortunately, it's probably best that this situation is made public and that CCP is trying to preempt official investigation. We can only hope that the official, authoritative wheels never get turning on this. I would not wish that on Mitanni. I don't think he meant to be the RL butthole that he is in the game. He just failed to realize the power that he has to turn in game mandates into RL consequences.

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U sound mad bro, u ok?

Some people do play the suicide card, but there are people that I know who play eve because it is more of a hobby, and the social aspect of highsec with good corpies does offer stress relief. Hell, at the expense of making me look bad, that is what kept me in eve. The fact that if I didn't want to combat, or whatever, I could chill with people I meet in game. Even did industry ops as something to do when we wanted to chat about the latest going ons. We all knew that eve had grief, and in a way that was exciting, we ran ops for mining during hulkageddon and make a good profit. Keeping attention and not making ourselves vulnerable.

Adapt or die, perfectly valid for eve. But the issue is what if the person is really going through bad times, seriously wants to be left alone. Eve gameplay cannot change, hulkageddon is eve, but following a person for statements or their playstyle in highsec (I have said this before) can be petitioned as harassment ToS/EULA violation. I have heard of it, example griefing in starter systems, and result is a request to cease for that reason. Many are doing as you said, the mocking is horribad. Nah, not really. That can be poor taste, just like how some alliances view smacktalk, etc.

The actual issue was a public callout to harass the person to kill himself. In jest and drunken stupor, it still is a rules violation. Made worse by live video and position of representation. As for the people are mean, I think of something I saw in help channel once. Some player whining about being suicide ganked and filed a petition with ccp. An ISD explained to the guy that was eve. CCP explained that was eve. Oh wait, that was me as a rookie, I understood eve better after, and played as the awesome carebear until I got the nullsec bug.

Griefing isn't bad, but if you do grief, pirate etc, and somebody gets hostile, tell them straight up how mechanics work. Say if they don't want to happen again, then do this.

Goons have proudly made themselves the poster boys for all the worst in this game, and the human race, for that matter. They're only not so proud of it recently, with all this drama. To hear one say they're just trying to protect us from the WoW community when they're very well established and popular there is laughable.

Goons may not be the only people who act horribly and downright psychotic to others in this game, but they're certainly the biggest group of those players. I'm sure you'd love to see all the heat taken off the goons and instead directed towards everyone, but you're not getting off the hook that easily. There is no other corp full of so many of those types of players, and until recently they were proud of being what they are, so they're the most suitable pariah for the larger issue.

No, the altar boys should have told their parents, and their parents should have gone to the authoroties, because that is how it is done. Pretty much exactly how I said things should be dealt with.

There are sociopaths in every game. The difference is, most games protect the rest of the gaming community from them. WoW won't allow them to scam you, mug you, steal everything you put in the corp hangar, and defile your corpse. Eve is perfectly okay with 3/4 of those things. Some people can't cope with the fact that Eve permits some of the behavior we see in the real world every day. They want everything to fall inside their bubble of what is fair. They aren't prepared for Eve, and things like this reinforce that for them. Their comments of "see, this is why Eve sucks" are just them justifying their own inability to deal with people being people. We as a community are fine.

What Mittens did was wrong. It's completely inappropriate for anyone to encourage personal harassment of other players. It's worse that it was done by a CSM. But I gather very few people took him seriously, and most of the audience new a drunken joke when they heard it.

If CCP does anything, he should simply lose his title of Chairman to the next person down and remain on the CSM. That should be a sufficient slap to deflate his ego. (No, I'm not convinced by his apology. I've watched politics for too long.)