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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-03-27 16:46:23 UTC
Xython wrote:
Saint Lazarus wrote:
I dont follow your logic, if anything, asking him to step down is the redemption. Proof that alot of people are ashamed of HIS behaviour and how we dont condone it.

Sweeping it under the rug is proof we're the vile scum people think we are.

But whatever, look at some interviews/videos of Fanfest and see how "evil" the community is.


10,000 votes suggest the community isn't ashamed of his behavior at all and wish him to continue.

You mad, bro?


Which is less than 3% by equivalent representation of the EvE community. So it in no way shows a majority view, far from it.

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Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-03-27 16:47:12 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Yes folks you.

I originally answered the apology thread with this, but I think it really needs to be seen and said. There is now publicity all over the place about how vile the Eve Online community is, not The Mittani, the community itself.

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This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.

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Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.

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This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress anywhere - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying sociopaths.

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With each passing news story on Eve Online, I am LESS interested in trying the game.

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In your obsessive desire to see one man shamed and stripped of his voted place in the csm, and maybe because you were on the receiving end of some IN GAME stuff that happened, because in your impotent rage that the chairman you wanted didn't get votes, you have besmirched the whole of the community.

Guess what? No one is squeeky clean, if we look closely enough we see the cracks and the ugly truth beneath the veneer of humanity. You, yes YOU, every one of you reading this has thought or said or done things that someone somewhere thinks is abhorant and disgusting, most likely you have commited a crime of some size in your country.

What defines a community is whether it is quietly pointed out, dealt with and apologised for, or whether we allow our hatred to beat up the object of our hate, burn it and kick it to death and drag it though the streets shouting about it. If you were outraged at what happened, you could have petitioned ccp, or sent some sort of message privately. Some official channel could have been used. Instead you chose sensationalism, the chance to scream your utter horror that something bad was done.

Take a look at what you have all done here, are you proud? You shouldnt be, you should be ashamed of dragging your community around the streets with a burning tyre around its bloody neck, paraded for the rest of the gaming world to see and hate you for. Because it isnt now The Mittani they hate, it is this community, your community. Well done.


The Eve Online community looks like utter **** now, and I blame you. The people who chose to publicly shame our entire community with your behaviour here.



Bullshit. Mittens is the only one to blame here. As head of CSM he is one of the most public figures for the fan base. Even if no one had said anything on here, comments on sites streaming the feed from fanfest mentioned how disgusted they were with his actions. Once he said it is was out there for the entire world to view.

The view that the gaming community in general of EVE has always been a bit negative, and this just reinforces it.

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Az'Kagoth
War Crime Syndicate
#23 - 2012-03-27 16:47:29 UTC
MY CEO!

And he's right! Don't believe it? Then come and blow up our space ships if you can!
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#24 - 2012-03-27 16:47:36 UTC
Ah love.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#25 - 2012-03-27 16:50:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
Before I say anything, I just want to point out that what Alex "The Mittani" did that day was wrong and unjust. Thankfully he apologized and the griefed miner in question is feeling better considering that some* of this happened outside the context of the game. Now that such drama is coming to a close, let's set that aside for now and focus on other things.

First off, we don't want to become like them. By "them" I mean WoW, Hello Kitty Online, Runescape, etc. where people have entitlement issues and think they should be 100% safe anywhere all the time. If they want to criticize us for being bastards in this game because we gank miners all year long every year no matter who they are, scam visitors in Jita with a fake Navy Issue Ibis, steal billions of ISK from corporations and alliances, corner the ice market, and shoot at monuments like a boss, etc. then let them criticize us. It's who we are as characters around here as we are all playing within the context of the game. After all, Eve Online's lore is all about being in a harsh universe.

We are what all the other MMOs refuse to accept in terms what kind of characters we are: bastards. Eve Online is our home. If we are seen as trolls, then so be it. But this is our home, not theirs. At least we're not telling them how to change their game or live it.

EDIT: * changed "all" to "some" as it didn't sound right.

Adapt or Die
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#26 - 2012-03-27 16:50:52 UTC
Xython wrote:
We don't want the stupid ******* from WOW, with their Gearscore e-peen and their "what, people are MEAN? I'mma tellin' Mommy CCP on you!!11!!" bullshit


Isn't Elitist Jerks, the big srs WoW site that never shuts up about gearscore, and is rife with condescending epeen freaks, run by other goons?

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Piatora
Bad Investments ULC
Diplomatic Incidents.
#27 - 2012-03-27 16:52:54 UTC
I think everyone one of us has done something similar at some point in our gaming career.

Someone: "This game sucks so bad, Im gonna quit forever!!" You: "Do it then faggettt!!! Gief me all your stuffs too!!"
Someone else: "Don't gank me plz, I am new and poor!" You: "HAHAHA EVE IS TOUCH ***** BACK TO WOW!!"
Another guy: "I hate my life, my dog died, and I lost my job" You: "I banged your wife while asking your boss to kill your dog and fire you, life is tough, HTFU"

I'm not for or against Mittens in this, just saying this is not the first time this has been done. Yes this is the first time it has been done publicly by someone drunk. All the people who hate Goons so passionatly that they **** up the forums every chance they get with another reason why their thinly veiled hate should be enforced is getting pathetic. Maybe the focus shouldn't be on Mittens but the people who are so wholly obsessed with Mittens, Goons, Test, -A-, xDeath, etc. etc. that they SHOULD seek professional help getting over their obsession.

It is really sad that we tout having the best community of players but stuff like this happens on BOTH sides. How come we all get a laugh at someone playing the suicide pity card? How come someone mocking the obvious and pathetic pity attempt gets such an outpour of hatred? Jesus guys, 5 months ago we were on the precipice of all quitting over the percieved threat of microtransactions making our game Pay-To-Win and the threadnaught didnt get to 100 pages for a few days. 3 "media" outlets got tipped, probably by rabidly obsessed haters, and now all the sudden we are doomed? Grow up or GTFO, WoW is that way, can I have your stuffs, pics or it didnt happen, U mad bro?, etc etc.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-03-27 16:54:42 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Xython wrote:
We don't want the stupid ******* from WOW, with their Gearscore e-peen and their "what, people are MEAN? I'mma tellin' Mommy CCP on you!!11!!" bullshit


Isn't Elitist Jerks, the big srs WoW site that never shuts up about gearscore, and is rife with condescending epeen freaks, run by other goons?



You see, this is the problem, this thread isnt about goons or mittani's it is about us. And yet, here it comes around again, still shatpoasting about goons because, because what? Why does every thread become a place to say how bad goons are for everything?

Its obsessions and hatred of goons that has brought this about, not because of what was done.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#29 - 2012-03-27 16:56:49 UTC
Piatora wrote:
I think everyone one of us has done something similar at some point in our gaming career.


Nope.avi

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#30 - 2012-03-27 16:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
Rico Minali wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Xython wrote:
We don't want the stupid ******* from WOW, with their Gearscore e-peen and their "what, people are MEAN? I'mma tellin' Mommy CCP on you!!11!!" bullshit


Isn't Elitist Jerks, the big srs WoW site that never shuts up about gearscore, and is rife with condescending epeen freaks, run by other goons?



You see, this is the problem, this thread isnt about goons or mittani's it is about us. And yet, here it comes around again, still shatpoasting about goons because, because what? Why does every thread become a place to say how bad goons are for everything?

Its obsessions and hatred of goons that has brought this about, not because of what was done.


EDIT:

Goons will be goons. But of course, you are right about some things going too far. If it's just that why all the other MMOs are complaining about, then it's just a simple case of encouraging proper etiquette. Other than that, if the complaint from MMOs are game-style related like scams and theft, they should GTFO.

Adapt or Die
Just Alter
Futures Abstractions
#31 - 2012-03-27 16:57:22 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Yes folks you.


Quote:
Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by hypocritical human beings.

Quote:
This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress where i want - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying grown men.

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So you're saying this isnt true?

I was under the impression it was; that's why i play...

The moment this stop being true eve will simply change playerbase; or die.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#32 - 2012-03-27 16:58:09 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Yes folks you.

I originally answered the apology thread with this, but I think it really needs to be seen and said. There is now publicity all over the place about how vile the Eve Online community is, not The Mittani, the community itself.

--------------
Quote:
This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.

Quote:
Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.

Quote:
This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress anywhere - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying sociopaths.

Quote:
With each passing news story on Eve Online, I am LESS interested in trying the game.

---------------

In your obsessive desire to see one man shamed and stripped of his voted place in the csm, and maybe because you were on the receiving end of some IN GAME stuff that happened, because in your impotent rage that the chairman you wanted didn't get votes, you have besmirched the whole of the community.

Guess what? No one is squeeky clean, if we look closely enough we see the cracks and the ugly truth beneath the veneer of humanity. You, yes YOU, every one of you reading this has thought or said or done things that someone somewhere thinks is abhorant and disgusting, most likely you have commited a crime of some size in your country.

What defines a community is whether it is quietly pointed out, dealt with and apologised for, or whether we allow our hatred to beat up the object of our hate, burn it and kick it to death and drag it though the streets shouting about it. If you were outraged at what happened, you could have petitioned ccp, or sent some sort of message privately. Some official channel could have been used. Instead you chose sensationalism, the chance to scream your utter horror that something bad was done.

Take a look at what you have all done here, are you proud? You shouldnt be, you should be ashamed of dragging your community around the streets with a burning tyre around its bloody neck, paraded for the rest of the gaming world to see and hate you for. Because it isnt now The Mittani they hate, it is this community, your community. Well done.


The Eve Online community looks like utter **** now, and I blame you. The people who chose to publicly shame our entire community with your behaviour here.



Word from Pets of pets of Mittani.....we can all go home now.

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-03-27 16:59:13 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
Bullshit.

Any publicity is good publicity.

I bet Eve will see a small subscription boost from this 'scandal'.



Probably all sociopaths from what we are hearing.
Azriel Geist
Pure Victory
#34 - 2012-03-27 16:59:14 UTC
That's a heavy ham fist you're handling there OP.

Are you a writer for Pat Robertson?
Sol Tertia
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-03-27 16:59:40 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:

Quote:
This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.

Quote:
Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.

This isn't a result of the recent drama, people have thought that about Eve for years.
Kara Roideater
#36 - 2012-03-27 16:59:42 UTC
You will note that those people aren't laying those comments on the community because they are disgusted by the actions of those criticising the Mittani. They are viewing the community through the lens of the Mittani's actions. What you are trying to do is blame the people who are criticising the Mittani for the image The Mittani has given the game. This is poor reasoning on so many levels that it would actually be painful to recount the kind of analogies necessary to show the awfulness of what you are implying. But we can start with: It's not the war criminals in the Congo's fault that the Congo has a terrible reputation. It's the fault of those who complain and bring the actions of these people to the attention of a wider public. Of course, there is a degree of causality and, thus, causal responsibility but the idea that these are the people to blame rather than the people who commit the reprehensible acts is about as weak as they come.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#37 - 2012-03-27 17:01:03 UTC
Truth hurts ?

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Sugar Von MurdererTits
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#38 - 2012-03-27 17:01:13 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:

Quote:
This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.

Quote:
Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.

Quote:
This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress anywhere - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying sociopaths.

Quote:
With each passing news story on Eve Online, I am LESS interested in trying the game.
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The Eve Online community looks like utter **** now, and I blame you. The people who chose to publicly shame our entire community with your behaviour here.


Actually it seems to me like those people have a pretty accurate idea of what the 'Eve Community' are like.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#39 - 2012-03-27 17:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
People who don't actually play EVE complaining about EVE. Additionally, the only reason this is even in the news is that people like Ammzi, who are willing to do absolutely anything to try and get an in-game advantage are blowing the entire thing out of proportion and spinning what comes out of it to try and discredit a democratically elected community figure.

The reality is that the individual who was the subject of The Mittani's comment couldn't give a flying **** about it and nobody was particularly interested in ganking him, but with people constantly drawing more and more attention to it anti-anti Mittani people are now motivated to harass the crap out of him to punish him for giving people ammunition against the mittani.

It's not about actually being offended, or about doing the right thing, it's about trying to exploit other people to gain advantages in the game.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#40 - 2012-03-27 17:03:20 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Xython wrote:
Saint Lazarus wrote:
I dont follow your logic, if anything, asking him to step down is the redemption. Proof that alot of people are ashamed of HIS behaviour and how we dont condone it.

Sweeping it under the rug is proof we're the vile scum people think we are.

But whatever, look at some interviews/videos of Fanfest and see how "evil" the community is.


10,000 votes suggest the community isn't ashamed of his behavior at all and wish him to continue.

You mad, bro?


Which is less than 3% by equivalent representation of the EvE community. So it in no way shows a majority view, far from it.


10,000 votes is a nice tally, the question is how many of those votes are from alts?

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