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Intellectuals of New Eden
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Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-27 16:16:20 UTC
Today, it is my pleasure to announce that the ten foremost intellectuals of New Eden have been identified. This list was compiled using an advanced system of data nodes* and expert drones. First, a pool of renown thinkers all over the cluster was formed. Next, their intellectual achievements were graded with points, and finally all the candidates were placed in order, as shown below. The results are quite interesting and we hope that the ideas of the following ten individuals on how and where the New Eden is evolving may be of interest for anyone who wants to understand the frontier of human thought.

1) Elabon
Despite his young age, President Aidonis Elabon was an inspiring leader who made significant contributions to the causes of peace, freedom and happiness across the cluster. His inspiring words have been a constant source of hope and vision for generations people. The personal charisma he radiated makes him an outstanding role model for the children. Slowly and inevitably President Elabon's energy and passion are bound to win more ground, and little by little, perhaps the era of peace whose foundation was laid out by him may be beginning.

2) Fouel
Many of the inspiring slogans we like to tell to each other, such as "Look to the future, don't cling to the past!", are attributed to Fouel**. However, not everyone knows that there is a deep philosophy behind these motivational sayings. Anyone who goes to an well-equipped data bank, can see that there is a quantity of holoreels and datacores where Fouel's contributions to the contemporary thought are recorded. According to many commentators and reviews, he is one of the leading intellectuals of all times. It is said that his way of embracing the concept of freedom and his shameless immersion into the flee flow of thought has had a deep but indirect influence on every modern citizen these days.

3) Geremande
Many Gallenteans have become familiar with Geremande at school. His sentence structure may be heavy for the unaccustomed but his impeccable logic and reasoning is nevertheless widely appreciated among the scholars. During years, many schools of thought have been developed around the question what is the correct interpretation of his writings. This conflict has enriched the academic life enormously. Over the years, his status as a highly respected thinker has been getting more established. In many universities, a basic knowledge of Geremande is expected from anyone who wants his ideas to be taken seriously.

4) Foiritan
Although many of today's young people might have already forgotten it, President Souro Foiritan was Federation's most beloved leader during the difficult years after CONCORD started issuing capsuleer's licences. Today, he would be better described as that friendly old gentleman whose advice is worth a thousand m3 of ABC every time there is a serious issue facing the Federation. His time in the office was good for the citizens in many regards. Although currently he might not so well-known for the younger generation, his ideology and efforts would deserve to be more widely enjoyed and perhaps even included in the program of the schools and kindergartens.

5) Hulmkelat
Statesman Aduner Hulmkelat is known for his moderate but modern points of view. He is the kind of man whose message resonates across the boundaries of simple-minded factionalism. Peace and stability are important concepts for the survival in an uncertain environment, and like they say in physics books, it is difficult to jump far if one cannot rely on the ground under one's feet. In this respect, federalism would offer a reliable framework where it is easy to strengthen the basic infrastructure which one's home and family is dependent on. New Eden would be poorer place without voices of reason such as statesman Hulmkelat.

6) Heideran VII
Heideran VII, born Keideran Kador, was the recipient of the famous Aidonis award, and also a long reigning Amarr Emperor, elected roughly 300 years ago. He was a member of the Kador Family. President Foiritan once said that Heideran VII was a 'shining beacon of light guiding us to safer havens and that if this light would go out we would be lost in this dark and turbulent sea that is inter-stellar relations.' He has also described him as having 'dragged the world kicking and screaming from a state of perpetual petty rivalries to a state of peace and prosperity.' Definitely, Heideran VII deserves a place among the intellectuals of New Eden.

7) Viladillet
Poire Viladillet is the current CEO of Quafe Company. She is responsible for delivering everyone in the cluster a selection of high quality products which both intellectuals and laypersons can enjoy. Although her occupation requires Mlle Viladillet to be both intellectual and technically inclined, she is still not socially awkward but an excellent example of modern Gallentean leadership. A great example of the concurrent intellectual achievements of her company is the tasty Quafe Zero product line which has pleased countless consumers across the space.
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-27 16:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastian Valoron
8) Darieux
Ceul Darieux was the founder of drone manufacturing powerhouse CreoDron. By spending long years in isolation, Darieux gained a more objective understanding of society through personal introspection. Simple living and self-sufficiency were parts of Mssr. Darieux' life. He is an outstanding example of how a person can achieve almost anything with his wits, conscience and hard work. His insights and life experiences continue to ease our day-to-day life through the excellent products that CreoDron company faithfully keeps delivering on the markets.

9) Reppola
Foreign interactions and appreciation of international business culture are important factors in building an atmosphere of peace and friendship. In this regard, Mssr. Mens Reppola, the CEO of Ishukone corporation, has been an outstanding example for many of his countrymen. His ability to collaborate and see both sides of an ISK should have been widely noted. The future lies in innovation and finding new markets, not in protectionism and clinging to old-fashioned business models. If more leaders were capable of looking past their preconceived notions and embrace new ideas, many obstacles to progress could be removed.

10) Lautere
Mssr. Yanou Lautere was the first Gallente ambassador to the Amarrians. During the years he spend away from his home, he had to be surrounded by a society which was very different from his own. Despite the difficulties, he was instrumental in building bridges between cultures. His published reports gave a wealth of valuable societal insights, some of which are even familiar to school children. While the work of a negotiator may have a lot of romantic appeal, the reality of it can be harsh and we are lucky to have intellectuals like Mssr. Lautere to take care of this kind of

* Many thanks for the excellent resources of New Eden Infosphere
**Experts are not in agreement on whether Fouel has actually ever said this.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-03-27 16:30:52 UTC
You're forgetting a few there, my dear:

Sansha Kuvakie
Omir Sarakusa
Fatal and the Rabbit
Khanid II
St. Tertrimon
Ocilian Ardishapur


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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#4 - 2012-03-27 16:34:33 UTC
A deranged visionary, a religious fanatic, a couple of pirate thugs, a king, and...some other religious folks...not necessarily 'intellectual' by traditional standards, just because their names are well-known

Anyway, a nice read, Bastian Valoron.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#5 - 2012-03-27 17:23:06 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
A deranged visionary, a religious fanatic, a couple of pirate thugs, a king, and...some other religious folks...not necessarily 'intellectual' by traditional standards, just because their names are well-known

Anyway, a nice read, Bastian Valoron.


And a lot of them, Heideran VII included, have been dead for many years.

Also, an obvious Gallente and Concord Signatory bias.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-03-27 17:59:33 UTC
As Tiberious has pointed out, there does appear to be some bias in the results. My guess is the grading of achievements with points was somewhat curved toward Gallentean values. Now, the bias may simply be perceived, or it may be actual, but regardless it is rather interesting to note that none of the people in this ranking actually opposed the Federation ideologically. The case could be made that the CEO of a Caldari megacorp and the Emperor of a foreign power would be the "opposing" persons in this ranking, but really, Ishokune has been making great strides to repair Caldari/Gallente relations, especially recently. While Heideran was perhaps the only Amarrian Emperor in recent years that has been portrayed as anything more than some sort of backward thinking fanatical despot.

That said, would it be possible to see the process used to grade these individuals and their achievements? It should be interesting to see just what is receiving points and what isn't.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-03-27 18:07:58 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
As Tiberious has pointed out, there does appear to be some bias in the results.


You expected an even-handed or broad result from this Federal sycophant?



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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#8 - 2012-03-27 18:19:54 UTC
Where is Otro Gariushi?

Where is Haatakan Oiritsuu?

Where is Hilen Tukoss, or Janus Bravour, or Morda Engsten, or Yakiya Tovil-Toba, or Muryia Mordu?

Katrina Oniseki
Simca Develon
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-03-27 18:23:38 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Where is Otro Gariushi?

Where is Haatakan Oiritsuu?

Where is Hilen Tukoss, or Janus Bravour, or Morda Engsten, or Yakiya Tovil-Toba, or Muryia Mordu?



I believe Tiberious and Silas have it right, love. This smells of a bit of bias.

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Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-27 19:57:25 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Where is Otro Gariushi?

Where is Haatakan Oiritsuu?

Where is Hilen Tukoss, or Janus Bravour, or Morda Engsten, or Yakiya Tovil-Toba, or Muryia Mordu?

Mssr. Gariushi's involvement in the Crielere incident, Mssr. Tukoss' failure with the Arek'jaalan project and Mssr. Bravour's short career as a COO might explain why they didn't make it to the top then. Had the list been longer, undoubtedly these names would have come up soon.

I admit it is surprising that regardless of faction, representatives of the military are missing from the list. On the other hand, it speaks volumes about the unbiased nature of this ranking.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2012-03-27 20:01:25 UTC
I guess this was a gallentean centered study, including all the ones that touched it the most in some way ? Interesting results.

Otherwise, I would have added Gorda Hoje.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2012-03-27 21:24:25 UTC
Bastian Valoron wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Where is Otro Gariushi?

Where is Haatakan Oiritsuu?

Where is Hilen Tukoss, or Janus Bravour, or Morda Engsten, or Yakiya Tovil-Toba, or Muryia Mordu?

Mssr. Gariushi's involvement in the Crielere incident, Mssr. Tukoss' failure with the Arek'jaalan project and Mssr. Bravour's short career as a COO might explain why they didn't make it to the top then. Had the list been longer, undoubtedly these names would have come up soon.

I admit it is surprising that regardless of faction, representatives of the military are missing from the list. On the other hand, it speaks volumes about the unbiased nature of this ranking.


So this was not graded on intellectual standards, but rather on moral standards and accomplishments? I dare say Otro Gariushi had accomplished far more than his closest friend and ally Mens Reppola, for example. Otro Gariushi also provided the moral compass of current Ishukone, one Reppola follows to this day.

I'll refrain from calling you on grounds of bias, and simply request to know how these people were graded. What, for example, places Elabon above Foule. What excludes Roden? How did you come by these rankings, and how are these people the 'top ten Intellectuals of all New Eden'?

As a side note, I myself would be hard pressed to come up with names of intellectuals that have not affected me to my knowledge; so I understand if each and every one of those top ten have Federation associations of some form.

Katrina Oniseki
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#13 - 2012-03-28 12:27:41 UTC
Hun, the bias is pretty um... blatant.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-28 14:41:37 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Hun, the bias is pretty um... blatant.

It s much easier to claim that the results are biased than admit that they make sense and there is something to reconsider in your own thinking. In the Federation, people have always kept the freedom of thought in high regard, and we have a lively and interesting intellectual tradition, something which everyone in the cluster could learn from.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:

So this was not graded on intellectual standards, but rather on moral standards and accomplishments? I dare say Otro Gariushi had accomplished far more than his closest friend and ally Mens Reppola, for example. Otro Gariushi also provided the moral compass of current Ishukone, one Reppola follows to this day.

I'll refrain from calling you on grounds of bias, and simply request to know how these people were graded. What, for example, places Elabon above Foule. What excludes Roden? How did you come by these rankings, and how are these people the 'top ten Intellectuals of all New Eden'?

As a side note, I myself would be hard pressed to come up with names of intellectuals that have not affected me to my knowledge; so I understand if each and every one of those top ten have Federation associations of some form.


As I explained, the grading system involved data nodes and advanced AI technology. It's a rather complicated matter and it would probably be necessary to open several threads in the Intergalactic Summit to fully explain it. Therefore I won't bother you with the details but politely invite you to read a book about grading systems, I'm sure you find your answers there. However, while I wish to convince you that the rankings were solely based on intellectual standards, it is true, according to all the studies, that great achievements and moral superiority often follow as a consequence, as kindly pointed out by Mlle. Oniseki
Jev North
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-03-28 14:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev North
Bastian Valoron wrote:
A great example of the concurrent intellectual achievements of her company is the tasty Quafe Zero product line which has pleased countless consumers across the space.

Yes, surely, one of the pinnacles of Gallentean "intellectual" achievement. A tasty beverage.

I'm not so much worried about pro-Gallente bias as the fact that it would be badly stretching the truth to claim that even half the people on the list have anything to do with intellectualism. Being a captain of industry or a successful politician doesn't rule out being an intellectual, to be sure; but for many people on this list, I'm sorely missing references to achievements in the realm of the mind.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-03-28 15:16:11 UTC
Bastian Valoron wrote:

As I explained, the grading system involved data nodes and advanced AI technology. It's a rather complicated matter and it would probably be necessary to open several threads in the Intergalactic Summit to fully explain it. Therefore I won't bother you with the details but politely invite you to read a book about grading systems,


I'm sorry, my translator appears to be broken, all I'm getting from your speech is is "I'm full of ****."

Translators are known to be finicky, however, so it might be more along the lines of "I can't really explain my Gallente bias and don't have the wherewithal to be up front about it so I'll make up excuses for my reasoning."

Did I get that right?

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#17 - 2012-03-28 15:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
There are thousands of grading scales in the galaxy, and nearly all of them use 'data nodes' and 'advanced AI technology' for computation. You essentially said it somehow uses a networked AI. That suggests little to nothing specific. You haven't even provided the name of the method used.

Because of this, you have provided results without the methods, and thus protect your 'work' from peer review. This is a massive failing in your credibility from a scientific (and intellectual) standpoint. What's more, you insult the intelligence of your readers by blatantly assuming they will not understand and suggest they 'go read a book'. (You haven't even given us a book name or topic.)

Peer review is essential to maintain credibility of results, and even the most basic news sources cite the relevant sources and journals works are published in. You provide no citation, no raw statistics, and no methods for how you gathered or graded them.

Without peer review your results are meaningless.

Sorry, but all you've provided is at best an amateur survey, and one that must be taken with a grain of salt.

...

It's also worth noting that by ignoring basic concepts like these, you insult the intellectual community including the people you've so awarded.

Katrina Oniseki
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#18 - 2012-03-28 16:41:52 UTC
A (capsuleer) representative of a Federal political party, posting a clearly-biased "top ten" list where all of the people on it benefited the Federation somehow but not necessarily any other groups?

Shock and horror. Truly, I am surprised.

It's not like a similar thread from someone representing a similar entity from any of the other factions or empires wouldn't have had the same issue of bias. If you think you can do better, don't waste time squabbling over someone's inability to follow concepts of peer review - just post your own list.


... Sheesh. Honestly, the silliness of the bickering aside, yes, I see several names missing that I think should not be.

Otro Gariushi is one.

Hilen Tukoss is another - the fact that Arek'Jaalan has gone semi-dark due to a combination of his silence and Eifyr and Co. not being done with the latest round of project reviews does not discount his vision or accomplishments in the slightest.

At least one or two of the Idama should be on the list as well - Vremaja is the first that comes to mind, here.

Arzad Hamri, another.

I'm at a bit of a loss for names for people from the Republic, but I'm sure that someone could come up with one or two.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2012-03-28 17:18:27 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
If you think you can do better, don't waste time squabbling over someone's inability to follow concepts of peer review - just post your own list.


The onus is not on me to 'do better', though yes I do think I could.

At any rate, he seems unwilling to cooperate, so I'll withdraw my arguments and let him have his thread.

Katrina Oniseki
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-28 18:00:23 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

I'm sorry, my translator appears to be broken, all I'm getting from your speech is is "I'm full of ****."

Translators are known to be finicky, however, so it might be more along the lines of "I can't really explain my Gallente bias and don't have the wherewithal to be up front about it so I'll make up excuses for my reasoning."

Did I get that right?

I'm sensing aggressive tones behind Mademoiselle Vitalia's comments. Please accept my apologies if the dialog we are having here is difficult to understand. I can see that you may come from a culture where free inquiry and intellectual pursuits are not openly encouraged but by no means it is my intention to criticize you for that. Instead, I commend you for your interest in these matters and hope that you take the time to go through and learn from the writings and biographies of the people who have been identified as the leading intellectuals of New Eden.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
The onus is not on me to 'do better', though yes I do think I could.

At any rate, he seems unwilling to cooperate, so I'll withdraw my arguments and let him have his thread.
Very well, if I play a bit with the parameters (the beta and sigma parameters), it seems that Mssr. Gariushi can come up as the tenth name. Like mentioned by several commentators, peer review is an essential tool for pinpointing ambiguities such as this one.
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