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OH god,.... the morphite!!

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#121 - 2012-05-02 18:47:51 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Skydell wrote:
The thing with Industry index is, it doesn't make a system have minerals it never had so it's all coming from the same systems it always did. It won't take the cartel's of EVE to figure out what the new Tech moon Sov systems are going to be and start fighting over those systems.

this is literally the stupidest thing I have read in days on these forums go back to your shame hole

the entire point of industry upgrades is they can be put anywhere in 0.0 and are the same anywhere: the mining anoms have a specific setup and group of asteroids that does not vary


I was talking about Belts. If Hemo is your top ore, adding index 5 won't get you anything above Hemo. Just more of it.

As for Grav sites, unless you want T2 to look like blue loot, depending on Grav mining is a sure fire way to fail. You don't control what Signatures occur in a system and after the signature nerf it's all onboards anyway and onboards don't provide Grav sites.

You are talking out of your ass in order to win a troll contest on a forum. Nothing you have said so far works in the game. The plain and simple fact is, Morphite source got chopped in half at the source. Morphite sources that were being exploited got chopped by about 70%. Index is lost when you lose Sov and while Moonswarm and -A- get to hold thier Sov through super blobbing, every other alliance has around a one year shelf life for Sov, then it's time to evac.

I said a year ago, you tards were grooming FA for your next little pretend war. They have been reset? Moonswarm War forecast, complete.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#122 - 2012-05-02 19:18:12 UTC
you are trivially correct that a thing you didn't say and is vaugely related to something you did say is actually true

the rest is utter nonsense and you have no idea what you're talking about and don't understand grav anomoly upgrades, I presume because you are a highsec pubbie who owns no space

i was going to list the wrong things in your post but it amounted to "all of them": go read bloodtear's guide it might explain it in simple enough terms for you to understand

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2012-05-02 19:18:49 UTC
i would like to lawl at goonswarm getting its space through super blobbing

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#124 - 2012-05-02 19:18:51 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
My miner pals are telling me that they get ark and mercoxit in their grav sites in a system that definitely does not spawn Ark - we don't seem to get ark at all in Deklein, in fact. So I really don't know what to tell you about your thinking on grav sites other than "You're wrong."

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1006/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report.pdf might interest you, I understand specifics are out of date (more high ends spawn per anomaly now, mostly) but the generalities - including the fact that, and I quote, "all hidden belts of the same size are nearly identical."

Now maybe the authors of this quite thorough report were high on crack at the time of writing, but frankly, "nearly identical" sure doesn't sound like "Yeah they're all the same except this one is missing ark" to me.

Weaselior wrote:
i would like to lawl at goonswarm getting its space through super blobbing

we couldn't blob supercaps and so had to blob raw numbers instead. Sad

oh wait that's why we kept our space, we got our space because tcf ~handed it to us on a plate~

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fofofo
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#125 - 2012-05-02 19:30:50 UTC
you don't control what signatures appear in a system (except through the system that I know nothing about where you do precisely that)

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#126 - 2012-05-02 19:50:52 UTC
LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.

Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#127 - 2012-05-02 19:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Question

Skydell wrote:
The thing with Industry index is, it doesn't make a system have minerals it never had so it's all coming from the same systems it always did. It won't take the cartel's of EVE to figure out what the new Tech moon Sov systems are going to be and start fighting over those systems.



if it can be fought over it can be cartelled, so a page ago you're telling us all how morphite will totally get cartelled, now you're telling us that we must be really really sad and angry (we're not, by the way, taxing ratting and PI is much easier) that we can't?

i'm confused Straight

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fofofo
Lupinus Regaale
Knee Jerk Reaction
#128 - 2012-05-02 20:10:55 UTC
Let me put it this way: if there's anyone out there able to form a cartel based on Morphite, please do it. I believe a lot of people would be very very very, very very happy with this. with all the combined power of speculation, not much to stop morphite from gaining a few K's, right? oh wait...
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#129 - 2012-05-02 21:00:06 UTC
Ocih wrote:
LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.

Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw.

see heres what you don't get, you're so dumb that beating your stupid ideas into the ground doesn't really take any effort

its not like you have ideas that are wrong in a hard to explain way you are simply wrong on easily verifiable basic facts

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#130 - 2012-05-02 21:10:49 UTC
Ocih wrote:
LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.

Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw.

Wait, goons being the guys pressing for the technetium nerf?

Yeah, they must be real mad.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#131 - 2012-05-02 21:18:06 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Ocih wrote:
LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.

Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw.

see heres what you don't get, you're so dumb that beating your stupid ideas into the ground doesn't really take any effort

its not like you have ideas that are wrong in a hard to explain way you are simply wrong on easily verifiable basic facts


So far all you have managed to do is make personal attacks and try so very hard to insult me. I haven't really seen anything to provide proof of any of your claims. You "say" Morphite is abundant but we all know better. Even at 20K per, Mining isn't going to compete with Anom ISK and the Centum blue loots it produces, let alone mission ISK. No matter how much Morphite you think is in the game, unless it sells for 25K or more, people aren't going to mine the stuff because you can make more doing just about anything else in the game. T2 Hulls don't get used, never have and never will. Even the mighty moonswarm has a main force of T1 Battle cruisers.

Still, if you want to mine the stuff for 5K p/u then feel free.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#132 - 2012-05-02 21:37:50 UTC
skydell learn about grav anoms before you humiliate yourself even more

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#133 - 2012-05-02 21:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
corestwo was generous enough to link you to a detailed description

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#134 - 2012-05-02 21:46:45 UTC
so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed?

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#135 - 2012-05-02 21:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
yes people aren't going to mine the stuff unless it's 25k or more, just like no one mined the stuff at a volume such that 1.9 million units were produced a day for a week straight (a volume exceeding production from pre-drone poo nerf) leading up to diagoras' tweets when the stuff was barely 15k.



that said at this point I think weaslior and I are being masterfully counter-trolled. I mean, "T2 Hulls don't get used, never have and never will." c'mon, really? way to give up the game, you did very well up until you said that.

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fofofo
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#136 - 2012-05-02 21:51:52 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed?


unlikely: given skyrocketing tech prices it is likely t2 production is at its current maximum production, and you just can't produce more unless more tech is put into the system

so even with higher demand for t2 ships no more could be produced

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#137 - 2012-05-02 22:17:00 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed?


unlikely: given skyrocketing tech prices it is likely t2 production is at its current maximum production, and you just can't produce more unless more tech is put into the system

so even with higher demand for t2 ships no more could be produced

It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Illectroculus Defined
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-05-02 22:40:21 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:

It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).

You mean the escalation expansion released last week which did exactly nothing?
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#139 - 2012-05-02 23:03:56 UTC
Illectroculus Defined wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).

You mean the escalation expansion released last week which did exactly nothing?

No, I meant inferno, just made a typo :)

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#140 - 2012-05-03 02:44:03 UTC
Well, back in post #26, I speculated that a T2 skiff could mine about 4200 units/hr w/ Orca/Rorqual support:

ISK/u = ISK/hr
10k = 42.0M/hr
13k = 54.6M/hr
15k = 63.0M/hr
20k = 84.0M/hr
25k = 105.0M/hr
30k = 126.0M/hr

So if the high-end ABCs get stuck in the 300-350 ISK/m3 range (about 45-50M/hr for a Orca/Rorqual supported Hulk), then that would probably mean Morphite in the 10-13k ISK/u range. If we see the high-end ABC ores get up into the 450-500 ISK/m3 range (70-75M/hr), then 15-18k ISK/u is more likely.

Like corestwo, it's going to oscillate wildly for a while. And it will depend whether it's a "junk" ore needed to clear the anom.

I got caught with buy orders in the 14k ISK/u range... oops.