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C0URT: On the conflict between DSTON, NUVOS and the Seekers of Silent Paradise.

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Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-03-29 14:45:30 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


It's still your finger on the trigger.

This is basically cartoonish, Boma. It's a level of psychopathy I am not happy to see.


The irony of a Nation supporter making this kind of statement is not lost on me.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#22 - 2012-03-29 14:48:23 UTC
Dilaro thagriin wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


It's still your finger on the trigger.

This is basically cartoonish, Boma. It's a level of psychopathy I am not happy to see.


The irony of a Nation supporter making this kind of statement is not lost on me.


We are anything but psychotic, considering that we ruthlessly excise psychopathy from our Network.

But good work on turning this around and away from you. When in doubt, deflect?
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#23 - 2012-03-29 15:16:11 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You aren't punishing them. You are punishing some people who had nothing to do with them. It doesn't make sense.
When you realize that it gives both him and Mr. Crow some publicity on IGS, it suddenly starts to make sense.



DSTON has so far made clear that any communications would have been made public in anycase. If this changes with their so called change in leadership all the better.

C0URT has an intrest in this that is clearly visible to anyone who is not a halfwit and would have preferred a relatively peaceful solution. As DSTON and it's tribal leadership seems to prefer escalation of the issue instead of diplomacy we will be considering how to best oblige them.

For C0URT, Mesha Khael Crow
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#24 - 2012-03-29 15:58:29 UTC
I'm curious where you stand on this whole fiasco, Crow.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-03-29 19:18:10 UTC
As I learned when I started my investigation with PIE... The D-ston do prefer escalation over any reasonable solution.

I think even they realize how tiny their operation really. Their only goal is some kind of awareness I suppose, and the best way for them to do that is to be so loud and proud that they cannot be ignored. I believe this awareness goal is far more important to them than the lives they actually manage to rescue.

If it wasn't for the fact that the D-ston would almost certainly reject the offer I would be more than willing to hold onto the slaves they have so far rescued. Not only do my facilities outstrip anything the stonnites have but would be more than willing to vouch for them to be granted Amarrian citizenship after they have been properly educated. As I have retired from active military duty there would be no fear of them ending up on the war-front.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#26 - 2012-03-29 19:42:41 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
I think even they realize how tiny their operation really. Their only goal is some kind of awareness I suppose, and the best way for them to do that is to be so loud and proud that they cannot be ignored. I believe this awareness goal is far more important to them than the lives they actually manage to rescue.


This is probably the first time Thiggy has ever said something I agree with.

The Stonites are more interested in drawing attention to themselves than they are in saving lives and helping people. If they weren't, they wouldn't spend so much time on the IGS crowing about each and every time they manage to get through undocking procedures and clean up after some capsuleer who thought not having to pay a fine was more important than the handful of people s/he had stupidly thought needed to be taken to his/her destination.

You don't need to draw attention to everything you do. As you've discovered, this paints a rather large target on your heads, and look where it got you - a shell of a corporation, its members distributed to the winds, and still under the fire of those who want to use you as target practice.

What you should be doing is letting those people who you've helped do the speaking for you. Their voice matters more than yours - their testimony of how much you helped them is far more important and genuine than anything you could say to people who might want to help you out.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-03-29 19:56:33 UTC
Indeed Morwen.

I understand that as a capsuleer just about everything we do is political. Just as well, if the stonnites goals are to be believed, the idea that what we do as capsuleers almost always impacts hundreds or thousands of lives is quite valid. Perhaps they may be more respected if they didn't act like a defiant teenager about it.

Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-03-29 20:23:04 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dilaro thagriin wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


It's still your finger on the trigger.

This is basically cartoonish, Boma. It's a level of psychopathy I am not happy to see.


The irony of a Nation supporter making this kind of statement is not lost on me.


We are anything but psychotic, considering that we ruthlessly excise psychopathy from our Network.

But good work on turning this around and away from you. When in doubt, deflect?


of course you do... except for those at the highest echelons eh?

Heavenbound is most certainly unhinged, perhaps less than those who rendered them so, but unhinged nonetheless.
As for Kuvakei himself... well, enough said there.

as for turning this around, why would you think i intend such a thing.

I have said, on more than one occasion, that this cluster will burn. all within it are trespassing on lands that are not for them.
When the smoke clears and all have peace, this garden will be beautiful once more.

I will still be here when your nation is a memory, and your master is naught but ashes.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#29 - 2012-03-29 20:25:41 UTC
Perhaps. I doubt it, though.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-03-30 02:08:08 UTC
I grow weary. The 20,000 vitoc addicted Vherokior slaves will be executed outside the Ardishapur Family Bureau station in Ardishapur prime at 05:00. That gives the Stonites and NUVOS three hours.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-03-30 02:41:22 UTC
Boma, I hope that this is a redundant question, but you did offer those slaves a chance to convert before simply condemning them, right?
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-03-30 03:20:40 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
Boma, I hope that this is a redundant question, but you did offer those slaves a chance to convert before simply condemning them, right?


31,400 slaves were purchased. 20,000 were Vitoc addicted. Those will be destroyed as is our way of mercy. 2332 chose conversion after counsel and will crew Batheen vessels. The remainder will be repatriated per their choosing, or perhaps destroyed if DSTON and NUVOS continue their recalcitrance.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-03-30 07:10:40 UTC
Mensha, your intentions were good, but after the execution, with no response from the offending parties, I release you as arbiter. It seems this will be a long and drawn out conflict. But what is ordained must be done.
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#34 - 2012-03-30 08:07:05 UTC
House of Murder consideres any member; Past, present and future of DSTON or NUVOS presence within any corporation to constitute a clear and present Casus Belli, at our pleasure. Untill such time the individual or one of the mentioned corporations negotiate to our satisfaction for us to ignore this stigma.

House of Murder.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#35 - 2012-03-30 11:35:52 UTC
Well, as is usually the case, pants were unzipped, measurements were made, and the only people who pay the price are 20000 Vhero who's only crime seems to be that they were Vhero in the first place.

I suppose the only question to ask now is... who's was bigger?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2012-03-30 13:48:02 UTC
Boma Airaken wrote:
I grow weary. The 20,000 vitoc addicted Vherokior slaves will be executed outside the Ardishapur Family Bureau station in Ardishapur prime at 05:00. That gives the Stonites and NUVOS three hours.


Moral culpability for their deaths is at your hands, not DSTON or any other. I had thought you logical enough to realize this. No one other than you is culpable in the slightest, and the only principle you have proven is your willingness to murder the blameless. For a moment I had thought your philosophy more refined, but I was apparently mistaken.

Even here I'm unable to express my outrage. Yours is a god of death, Captain Airaken. I choose life.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-03-30 13:52:47 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Boma Airaken wrote:
I grow weary. The 20,000 vitoc addicted Vherokior slaves will be executed outside the Ardishapur Family Bureau station in Ardishapur prime at 05:00. That gives the Stonites and NUVOS three hours.


Moral culpability for their deaths is at your hands, not DSTON or any other. I had thought you logical enough to realize this. No one other than you is culpable in the slightest, and the only principle you have proven is your willingness to murder the blameless. For a moment I had thought your philosophy more refined, but I was apparently mistaken.

Even here I'm unable to express my outrage. Yours is a god of death, Captain Airaken. I choose life.


You don't really... understand what The Seekers are after, do you? "No one is to blame" is basically the exact opposite of their views.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#38 - 2012-03-30 14:00:43 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

You don't really... understand what The Seekers are after, do you? "No one is to blame" is basically the exact opposite of their views.


No, I don't really understand. I find it a schizophrenic philosophy, and fully admit that my knowledge of it is weak. I've gotten little glimpses of clarification here and there, but it's still something of a mystery. I'm quite sure he has no qualms with his actions, obviously.

That doesn't really apply, though. What I was trying (and apparently failing) to point out is that his actions don't shift responsibility for the act onto DSTON or anyone else - the responsibility is his, and no amount of blackmailing or taunting will change that. The claim that those deaths are on Ston's hands is simply false.

This said, no doubt Ston feels horrible about the incident. That in and of itself could easily be a secondary goal of the action.

Thank you for pointing out my vague communication and letting me clarify it. I find you highly acerbic, but rarely wrong.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2012-03-30 14:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
I'm no fan of the Stonites, but I find the cold-blooded murder of 20,000 slaves in order to provoke a response from them to be morally repugnant.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#40 - 2012-03-30 14:27:41 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
I'm no fan of the Stonites, but I find the cold-blooded murder of 20,000 slaves in order to provoke a response from them to be morally repugnant.


Indeed. I'm still curious to hear Mensha Khael Crow's reaction, considering that he agreed to arbitrate on behalf of a heretical organization (the Seekers are EoM after all) and hasn't publically decried their actions in slaughtering the innocent.
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