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C0URT: On the conflict between DSTON, NUVOS and the Seekers of Silent Paradise.
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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#1 - 2012-03-27 09:11:30 UTC
C0URT Suggests following terms of peace to resolve the conflict

1. DSTON and NUVOS will publicly disclose the full number of livestock (as per CONCORD classification) currently held

2. This will include disclosure of all slavers as a seperate entity as per CONCORD definition
- After the numbers have been agreed upon by all four parties

3. ALL Livestock will be handed over to SASPR for counsel and relocation
- With video feed of such provided to C0URT for supervision

4. SASPR will turn over all Amarrian slavers, freemen and nobles to C0URT
- To be convicted or released as per Imperial law

5. Once all transfers have been completed DSTON will disband as a capsuleer entity

6. After the disbanding of DSTON, no side will hold other, or members thereof, accountable for previous actions in this conflict.

7.As such all declarations of war will be withdrawn and combat will be held off for grace period of three days with all members (current and former) of the four corporations.

It is my sincere hope all sides can agree to these terms. With DSTON and NUVOS recognizing the opportunity for a new beginning. And if SASPR wishes to reaffirm their commitment to releasing slaves, perhaps even with the knowledge of a measure of success in their stated goal.

For C0URT.
Captain Crow.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-27 09:24:37 UTC
In my capacity as Zhayedan of SASPR, I respectfully acknowledge Mensha as arbiter, and agree to these terms in good faith.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2012-03-27 11:07:12 UTC
Points 3 and 4 will require solid feedbacks and transparency.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-28 00:54:08 UTC
It seems that the disbanding has already begun. A warning to those leaving both DSTON and NUVOS. You will be followed and engaged with or without CONCORD sanction. This arbiter and these conditions are generous. Whatever you are currently up to is your business, I just hope that you choose wisely.
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#5 - 2012-03-29 05:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mensha Khael Crow
Current DSTON CEO has in correspondence to my regret rejected the offered terms.

Whether these terms will remain open for time being depends on further discussions with SASPR.

For C0URT, Mensha Khael Crow.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-29 08:19:15 UTC
I am amused by insolence, and my resolve is tempered deeply.

In response to this rejection, twenty-four hours from now I will calculate the total of slaves rescued by DSTON, and I will consign twice that number to entombment in space via jetcan.

If I do not receive a request for negotiation from DSTON after this has occured, I will crew a destroyer and battlecruiser wing with vitoc addicted slaves, and begin suicidal jihad against their members, past and present, resulting in even more blood on DSTON's hands by CONCORD.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2012-03-29 12:13:11 UTC
Technically, this blood will only be on your hands, and not DSTON's. This is childish, at best.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#8 - 2012-03-29 12:18:31 UTC
Yes. Not quite sure what logical purpose this serves (because it doesn't serve one).

DSTON is annoying. They aren't THAT annoying.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-29 12:19:17 UTC
It can be interpreted in millions of ways. Their underhanded tactics and refusal of diplomacy forces my hand. With this destruction of life I can render everything DSTON has ever done null and void. It will be as if they never existed. To allow them to simply walk away from this would send a terrible message.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#10 - 2012-03-29 12:31:17 UTC
Boma Airaken wrote:
It can be interpreted in millions of ways. Their underhanded tactics and refusal of diplomacy forces my hand. With this destruction of life I can render everything DSTON has ever done null and void. It will be as if they never existed. To allow them to simply walk away from this would send a terrible message.



You aren't punishing them. You are punishing some people who had nothing to do with them. It doesn't make sense.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#11 - 2012-03-29 13:22:21 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You aren't punishing them. You are punishing some people who had nothing to do with them. It doesn't make sense.
When you realize that it gives both him and Mr. Crow some publicity on IGS, it suddenly starts to make sense.

Basically, the main difference between Ston and Airaken is that Ston tries to get publicity for helping people, while Airaken tries to get publicity for killing people. Helping people is more difficult than killing them, though, so I guess you can't expect that from everyone.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-03-29 13:29:09 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You aren't punishing them. You are punishing some people who had nothing to do with them. It doesn't make sense.
When you realize that it gives both him and Mr. Crow some publicity on IGS, it suddenly starts to make sense.

Basically, the main difference between Ston and Airaken is that Ston tries to get publicity for helping people, while Airaken tries to get publicity for killing people. Helping people is more difficult than killing them, though, so I guess you can't expect that from everyone.


I can see why you would think that, but it is not the case. This is not about altruism or murder, it is about principles and grace.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#13 - 2012-03-29 13:32:42 UTC
Boma Airaken wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You aren't punishing them. You are punishing some people who had nothing to do with them. It doesn't make sense.
When you realize that it gives both him and Mr. Crow some publicity on IGS, it suddenly starts to make sense.

Basically, the main difference between Ston and Airaken is that Ston tries to get publicity for helping people, while Airaken tries to get publicity for killing people. Helping people is more difficult than killing them, though, so I guess you can't expect that from everyone.


I can see why you would think that, but it is not the case. This is not about altruism or murder, it is about principles and grace.


I fail to see where there is any grace in murdering innocent, previously uninvolved people.

Principles? Sure, for a given definition of principles. Not Grace, though.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-29 13:45:52 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Boma Airaken wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You aren't punishing them. You are punishing some people who had nothing to do with them. It doesn't make sense.
When you realize that it gives both him and Mr. Crow some publicity on IGS, it suddenly starts to make sense.

Basically, the main difference between Ston and Airaken is that Ston tries to get publicity for helping people, while Airaken tries to get publicity for killing people. Helping people is more difficult than killing them, though, so I guess you can't expect that from everyone.


I can see why you would think that, but it is not the case. This is not about altruism or murder, it is about principles and grace.


I fail to see where there is any grace in murdering innocent, previously uninvolved people.

Principles? Sure, for a given definition of principles. Not Grace, though.


If you find it so abhorrent, perhaps you should encourage DSTON and NUVOS to make sure it doesn't happen.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#15 - 2012-03-29 13:49:33 UTC
Boma Airaken wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Boma Airaken wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You aren't punishing them. You are punishing some people who had nothing to do with them. It doesn't make sense.
When you realize that it gives both him and Mr. Crow some publicity on IGS, it suddenly starts to make sense.

Basically, the main difference between Ston and Airaken is that Ston tries to get publicity for helping people, while Airaken tries to get publicity for killing people. Helping people is more difficult than killing them, though, so I guess you can't expect that from everyone.


I can see why you would think that, but it is not the case. This is not about altruism or murder, it is about principles and grace.


I fail to see where there is any grace in murdering innocent, previously uninvolved people.

Principles? Sure, for a given definition of principles. Not Grace, though.


If you find it so abhorrent, perhaps you should encourage DSTON and NUVOS to make sure it doesn't happen.


I think I would rather try to convince you to not do it, since you hold all the responsibility for your own actions.

Personally, I want DSTON and NUVOS gone. I am not a fan of how they operate, especially lately. I don't think how they operate should result in the deaths of several hundred thousand uninvolved people at your hands, though.

The buck stops with you, Seekers, if you do this. Responsibility is not transferred to DSTON and NUVOS.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-29 13:55:08 UTC
Principles Tiberious. If I do NOT do this and allow them to keep worming their way out of ordained retribution, it sends a dangerous message to the cluster at large. There is still time. The ball is very much in their court.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#17 - 2012-03-29 14:02:26 UTC
Boma Airaken wrote:
Principles Tiberious. If I do NOT do this and allow them to keep worming their way out of ordained retribution, it sends a dangerous message to the cluster at large. There is still time. The ball is very much in their court.


You're missing the point. This is not retribution against DSTON and NUVOS. This is retribution against several uninvolved people who until this point had probably never even heard of Ston.

That, or this is you fufilling your murder fetish.

Either way, DSTON and NUVOS are not responsible for your actions in this regard.
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-03-29 14:03:40 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Boma Airaken wrote:
Principles Tiberious. If I do NOT do this and allow them to keep worming their way out of ordained retribution, it sends a dangerous message to the cluster at large. There is still time. The ball is very much in their court.


You're missing the point. This is not retribution against DSTON and NUVOS. This is retribution against several uninvolved people who until this point had probably never even heard of Ston.

That, or this is you fufilling your murder fetish.

Either way, DSTON and NUVOS are not responsible for your actions in this regard.


But DSTON and NUVOS can save them.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#19 - 2012-03-29 14:17:42 UTC
Boma Airaken wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Boma Airaken wrote:
Principles Tiberious. If I do NOT do this and allow them to keep worming their way out of ordained retribution, it sends a dangerous message to the cluster at large. There is still time. The ball is very much in their court.


You're missing the point. This is not retribution against DSTON and NUVOS. This is retribution against several uninvolved people who until this point had probably never even heard of Ston.

That, or this is you fufilling your murder fetish.

Either way, DSTON and NUVOS are not responsible for your actions in this regard.


But DSTON and NUVOS can save them.


It's still your finger on the trigger.

This is basically cartoonish, Boma. It's a level of psychopathy I am not happy to see.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-03-29 14:38:47 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
... I am not happy to see.


I'm sure the Seekers are quite concerned with your level of happiness.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
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