EVE General Discussion

Tech needs a nerf but this isn't the reason why.

Reduce XL guns tracking, sig resolution. Remove supercap EWAR immunity. Reduce number of high slots for titans. Pretty soon the bounty generators in null sec will slow down.

Get planetary infrastructure out so we can start paying ISK for planet side defences.

The graphs that ccp produce say that bounties produced in 00 provide more or an isk Faucet into the game than Incursions do. This maybe correct but has ccp factored in how many people rat in 00 and how many people run incursions?

Ie if 50 people rat in 00 and make 100mil in a set amount of time

and

25 people run incursions and make 100 mill in a set amount of time,

the isk Faucet in incursions is much higher. In the fanfest info I didn't see any numbers which address'd this issue. Now I could be wrong and ccp have addressed this but I haven't seen it.

We asked them for those figures about 984590385934 times now, no replies yet as far as I'm aware.

Truth of the matter is that the slides and presentation showing isk generation statistics in eve were generally useless. You showed raw isk generation and showed nothing on the generation per capita. How many people running incursions are there compared to how many are collecting bounties through almost every other aspect of eve. I can sure you that running incursions is so much more lucrative than ratting or missions... I've also come to this conclusion not by looking at some misrepresented numbers but instead from personal player experience involving all these activities that generate iskies.

Sansha's incursion has ran its course. Time for him to withdrawal.

The main ISK generator in Eve according to those graphs is bounties from rats, however, people seem to forget that a lot of those battleships that get blown up for 1M a piece are in fact in level 4 missions. Level 4 mission payouts is a small portion of the isk faucet, but that's just the payout of the missions themselves

Reducing the bounties is a good start, though imho, rat bounties should also be adjusted for security status, meaning killing a battleship rat in high sec would give less money than killing same rat in low or null. This would mean that ratting in null would be more profitable than level 4 missions in high

Ratting in low might 'seem' ludicrously good, but you forget that there's sov bills to pay for upgrading those systems so you can rat and do sanctums etc. properly. As mentioned somewhere during fanfest, there should be a benefit to holding sov and actually making use of said space by it's members ie. alliance income is generated mainly through it's grunts on the field, not just from the moongoo atm machines and such ( yes I know they don't make isk on themselves, but they do generate income for an alliance, which means that an alliance of supers ( PL? ) without sov and just holding the moons can sustain itself without the need for sov, which is a bad thing imho

High sec incursion payouts should also be lowered, but this has been screamed about to death so no more comment on this from me

Increasing costs of using station services and many of the high sec easy access facilities would also be a good isk sink, perhaps introduce an extra tax on high sec POSses as well, by increasing the cost of charters for instance, or better yet, remove them and institute a flat fee based on security status to the sov holding empire, just like renter corps in null pay to their overlords

Perhaps a very difficult idea to implement, but which would work well imho, would be to have some kind of dynamic isk sink that increases in cost the more isk is generated in the game would be good. Right now, there's a surplus of isk injected into the game every month, stemming this tide through increasing general sinks that are 'across the board' would be a good idea. Possibly things like corp office costs, or general taxation of a corporation by empire factions, increased cost for market operations and taxes, increasing cost of manufacturing things in stations, all dependent on howmuch isk is generated in the game ( say on a monthly basis

Mission LP payouts shouldn't be nerfed though, these aren't an isk faucet, they're isk sinks, as more LP means more purchases in the LP stores, where money is paid to npc corps

Finally, something people seem to forget, another component of inflation is the speed that money moves around. The more is manufactured and sold, thus moving isk to other hands, the more demand there is for manufactured goods, thus increasing their price, as there's more people who have money to spend it on things. With a lot of returning players in Crucible, manufacture of goods has increased by something like 30-40% over the last few months, as there's more people buying things, that means more people are making money, so have more money to spend on things, which means they can buy more stuff, thus increasing demand, which leads to price increase

By the same token bounties should be nerfed in-null sec too, where the risks are similar to high-sec, especially in the major alliances controlled territories.

I have in the past not really cared. But right now I'm heavily into recruiting for my corp. While I'm fairly successful at doing so there is the occasional failure and it usually goes along these lines:

"Hey, we're in w-space, can make buttloads of isk."

"Nah, that's ok I'm looking for a hisec incursion corp because I can make almost that much risk free."

"Derp"

Technically, I can't really offer anything that a person living in hisec can't already do. They can PVP just like anyone out here, all they need do is probe out wh's from hisec to do so, or go to lowsec on the occasional pvp roam. The only advantage I have is income and apparently anyone in the know knows it's not that far off from incursion running. So, yeah, I think there needs to be incentive to get people out of hisec. 10% reduction is not that big of a deal but, it might be just enough to make people reconsider.

Sure, it's a completely selfish idea. But, no more selfish than people in hisec wanting income levels comparable to other more dangerous types of space.

[quote=DarthNefarius]
One number I've love to see is the ISK bounties in NULL versus HI versus WH versus LO to really see who is making the best per capita[/quote

Another good point - let's make an informed decision based on facts rather than on the usual stereotypes.