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My Apology

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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1961 - 2012-03-27 16:24:41 UTC
Krell Kroenen wrote:
But didn't they stream it on their website though?


Technically no, they went through a 3rd party streaming video service. :)
Tamir Lenk
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1962 - 2012-03-27 16:25:01 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
[quote=Karadion][quote=Apollo-Moor]

Don't test me goon.


Why not? Have you engaged in some unsafe intimate contact? Denial won't save you. Get tested now so you can deal with the issue early. You should also notify anyone that you might have exposed, so they can get tested as well.


Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1963 - 2012-03-27 16:25:21 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
It has begun. Next episode of Dr. Phil to focus on cyber bullying.


Well played.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1964 - 2012-03-27 16:26:34 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
It has begun. Next episode of Dr. Phil to focus on cyber bullying.

Can someone explain to me why 'cyber bullying' is some how worse than the regular get-punched-in-the-face-lunch-money-stolen-head-the-the-toilet regular kind of bullying?
A;so, would multiple hundred page + threads where numerous posters call the Mittani all sorts of name constitute cyber bullying?
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1965 - 2012-03-27 16:26:51 UTC
Tamir Lenk wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
[quote=Apollo-Moor]

Don't test me goon.


Why not? Have you engaged in some unsafe intimate contact? Denial won't save you. Get tested now so you can deal with the issue early. You should also notify anyone that you might have exposed, so they can get tested as well.


Goons are STDs. Get tested today with your Goon-approved STD test. Selling for 1 billion isk. Your life is more important than the isk.
Aldarica
Perkone
Caldari State
#1966 - 2012-03-27 16:27:24 UTC
Ice Fist wrote:
But dude, there was a massively article! DON'T YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE READ THAT SITE!?!?!?!?!?!

That's only a beginning - enjoy your ride in days to come.

Smart people know when they make mistake and act before all hell breaks loose, others just wait and suffer more later.
Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1967 - 2012-03-27 16:28:33 UTC
Mittani ISK Replacement Fund
========================

Send any ISK donations to me!

I will ensure this ISK is funneled back to Mittani so he can start a new alt secretly and not be p00r.

Twisted

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.

Pyrus Octavius
Flat Earth Believers
#1968 - 2012-03-27 16:28:55 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.


I really like this part of your statement. In this world there is real hate and real f'd up sh*t. This is a role playing game, and everyone has the right to play their "character" as they see fit. However, that role should remain in the game. I'm glad you recognize that.

Thanks for your apology.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1969 - 2012-03-27 16:29:16 UTC
Stigman Zuwadza wrote:
Mittani ISK Replacement Fund
========================

Send any ISK donations to me!

I will ensure this ISK is funneled back to Mittani so he can start a new alt secretly and not be p00r.

Twisted



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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1970 - 2012-03-27 16:29:22 UTC
Krell Kroenen wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Skogen Gump wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:

1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.

2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.



1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me:
'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.'

2) So that makes it Ok?


"You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. "



But didn't they stream it on their website though?

Good point. If I were CCP, I'd do max damage control and publicly do this, that and the other to remedy the situation. Including removing the offender as chairman and suspending him from the game for X days. Fair, not fair, whatever. Potential liability damage control-- businesses have to do it.

Anyway congrats to Alex Gianturco for manning up and posting a public apology.
JamesCLK
#1971 - 2012-03-27 16:29:36 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
JamesCLK wrote:
He was not at the alliance panel as Chairman of CSM 6, he was there as The Mittani, CEO of Goonswarm.
How hard it it to understand this?


Oh right! So it'd be perfectly acceptable for, say, Obama to make obscene and offensive comments if he went shopping with his family as the father of the Obama household, but not as the president of the USA? The paparazzi would have a field day. Besides - he's chairman of CSM 7 now.


Mittens has admitted he went overboard; but this really doesn't have anything to do with his CSM status because it occured at the alliance panel - not the CSM panel. The consequences shouldn't be tied to the CSM, they should be tied to the alliance panel.

What I'm saying is that Mittens should probably be excluded from appearing at next years alliance panel as "punishment"; don't expect him to be running around in a purple wizard hat and doing jaeger bombs anytime soon either.
This whole "OMG STEP DOWN FROM CHAIRMAN" situation is completely and utterly irrelevant to the alliance panel; it's the wish of people who want an excuse to not have to deal with another year of successful CSM chairmanship under Mittens.

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Kara Roideater
#1972 - 2012-03-27 16:29:39 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Skogen Gump wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:

1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.

2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.



1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me:
'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.'

2) So that makes it Ok?


"You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. "


Repeat after me: 'A disclaimer of corporate responsibility is not the same thing as an exception from the rules for the actions for which responsibility is disclaimed.' Long sentence, but if you try hard enough I'm sure you'll manage to grasp it.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1973 - 2012-03-27 16:29:46 UTC
mittens should hop in a titan and let "the wis" and his corp pop the titan with the wis getting the final blow with his drones from his makinaw.

then everyone can move on and troll about something else.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.

Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#1974 - 2012-03-27 16:30:08 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?


You would be just as guilty, the hand behind the hand that struck the blow. No real difference to hiring a killer, other than no money exchanging hands.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1975 - 2012-03-27 16:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
Tamir Lenk wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
[quote=Karadion][quote=Apollo-Moor]

Don't test me goon.


Why not? Have you engaged in some unsafe intimate contact? Denial won't save you. Get tested now so you can deal with the issue early. You should also notify anyone that you might have exposed, so they can get tested as well.





AAAAAAACCCCHHOOOOOOOOO...

Sorry...I'm alergic to **** riders...

and I've got blue balls from all the Goons in here..

Who's gonna quote and jump on daddy' **** next goonie?
Esbelta
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1976 - 2012-03-27 16:30:12 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.

Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.

But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.

Simply.. Step down..

Did you vote for him?


Does that matter? Cause no I didn't..

Don't test me goon.


Internet badasses are so ADORABLE!!! Will you be my white knight if I ever need one?
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#1977 - 2012-03-27 16:30:22 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Karadion wrote:

Did you vote for him?


Does that matter? Cause no I didn't..

Don't test me goon.



What happens if he does?


Yeah, I want to know that too!


Can't ask someone to step down thats not in a position. So I guess some of the post of him leaving would stop. I don't know what you quoters are trying to get from me.

Being yourselves will give you the answer you need.. I don't have to time to find your answers for you..


Lamesauce. I was hoping for some epic in-game retribution, not some muddled words that will be forgotten in an hour.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Princess Bride
SharkNado
#1978 - 2012-03-27 16:30:31 UTC
Joe Skellington wrote:
This has all descended into "Melodrama", maybe it's time to move on and let the healing process begin? Just saying.


When you want to heal from being stabbed in the back, the first step is to remove the knife. Once Alex has resigned from the CSM and left Eve in disgrace we can begin to heal.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/

Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1979 - 2012-03-27 16:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
The Mittani wrote:
This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.

Christ.

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.

I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.



I would suggest screenies of you biomassing [The entity known as 'The Mittani']

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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Aggressive Feeding
#1980 - 2012-03-27 16:33:07 UTC
Townsend Harris wrote:

A;so, would multiple hundred page + threads where numerous posters call the Mittani all sorts of name constitute cyber bullying?


True,lets petition these pubbies!