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Maharal
Klaus Talmudic Academy
Games of Divinity
#1041 - 2012-03-27 06:03:59 UTC
CCP should let the miner change his name - as for Mittani - All of EvE will be watching to see what CCP decides.
de4deye
Terra Nova Innovations
Sedition.
#1042 - 2012-03-27 06:04:10 UTC
Xython wrote:
de4deye wrote:
It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->


What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.

We are now putting 3 gyros rather than the previous failure of a mere 2 gyros on our buses now, tyvm.
Algia Knightstorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1043 - 2012-03-27 06:04:11 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Jonatan Reed wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.

Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.

As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now.


There are no laws that can do anything against CCP.


This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.


Pay attention ******. The potential plaintiff doesn't give two *****.
HazardsSoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1044 - 2012-03-27 06:04:31 UTC
Xython wrote:

What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.


I agree, Send us moar titans!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1045 - 2012-03-27 06:04:33 UTC
Xython wrote:
de4deye wrote:
It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->


What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.


Big smile

I'm still trying to find the "Drunk, not my fault" excuse....

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1046 - 2012-03-27 06:04:50 UTC
Xython wrote:
de4deye wrote:
It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->


What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.


I too, like to boast of my 10 to 1 blobbing power.

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Mallikanth
Wasters
#1047 - 2012-03-27 06:05:32 UTC
I don't know you in person, nor do I know you that well in game other than the usual forum post / Tweets / CSM stuff, but I don't think you should even consider resigning over this.

The apology was enough.
Lets get back to "The Mittani" way of things Twisted

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#1048 - 2012-03-27 06:05:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Andski wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.


problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass


The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future plaintiffs in lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though.

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Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1049 - 2012-03-27 06:05:47 UTC
Algia Knightstorm wrote:
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Shere wrote:
This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on


It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong.

Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place Roll





It's funny how he got more votes than he has people in the entirety of the GSF alliance.


Your assumption being that nobody outside of his alliance would vote for him?
Tad naive ya think?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1050 - 2012-03-27 06:05:50 UTC
de4deye wrote:
It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->


Am I gonna have to quote it again? I'm gonna have to quote it again... sigh. Ok, once more from the top.

The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


I'm not sure which part of that people aren't understanding. He's not using the fact that he was drunk as an excuse. Did it complicate things? Yes. But it doesn't make him any less responsible and he acknowledges that in his apology post (which I am now almost certain most people haven't actually bothered to read).

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Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
#1051 - 2012-03-27 06:06:23 UTC
Xutech wrote:
The EVE convention gives people a limited amount of time to meet everyone they know, socialize and discuss topics.

Is it hardly surprising that a convention that features alcohol would contribute to people acting unwisely?

The fact is that the Mittani was inebriated at the point where he made his speech in front of hundreds of people.

Is it hardly surprising that he may have spoken some unwise words, given a little too much information away?

Given that the EVE convention has, in the past, featured short movies of devs flying spaceships made out of beer bottles,

is it surprising that anyone attending not be in full control of their faculties?

He has made an apology, he has been embarrassed. That is a healthy situation. One where a person has made a mistake and can recognize it. Anyone in a leadership position, in the spotlight, day after day, will make mistakes. We cannot remove a leader every time they make a mistake, we would have no-one left to lead.

The Mittani got a huge number of votes, he does his job well, he does hold CCP to account.

I would like to see him tone down the drinking, or leave it till the end of the convention.

I think that is a fair request that we can make.

Asking him to resign is not a reasonable request given his year round work.

Xutech of the KUGU community.

The problem is that this is a video game with rules that apply to the populace. People shouldn't be concerned with whether or not he steps down, they should be wondering why he isn't banned yet. Yeah, we make mistakes, and in the realm of this game, when you break the ToS, you should be held accountable. It doesn't matter who he is or what he did for the game. Is CCP partially at fault for the alcohol/ect.? Yes, and they should man up as well. At least Mittani apologized, where is CCP's statement?
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#1052 - 2012-03-27 06:06:32 UTC
What a crock of sh*t

Your 'deal with it' comments and other comments pretty much stated you didnt give a damn what yu did, infact you and your goonies havent shown any remorse on what you did... Did CCP put you up to this? or the CSM?

Sorry get out.... and stay out, you are a sad little man

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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1053 - 2012-03-27 06:08:01 UTC
de4deye wrote:
"Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->

Typical uninformed opinion.

If you had read the first post in this thread you'd see he wasn't making excuses. Or, perhaps you're just lacking sufficient brain capacity to understand that. Ether way...

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Algia Knightstorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1054 - 2012-03-27 06:08:05 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Xython wrote:
de4deye wrote:
It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->


What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.


I too, like to boast of my 10 to 1 blobbing power.


It's funny because that fight was pretty much even when NCdot initiated it. They dropped their Titans on the CFC within spitting distance of VFK hoping for an easy "I win!" button and got their teeth kicked in by CFC caps. Jabber pings about Titans being killed brings everyone and their mother to the system to whore on KMs.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1055 - 2012-03-27 06:12:23 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Andski wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.


problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass


The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though.


Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.

CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.

As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that.

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Powers Sa
#1056 - 2012-03-27 06:15:08 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Andski wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.


problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass


The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future plaintiffs in lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though.

You sure sound like you know what you are talking about, unfortunately you do not. You would have to prove CCP's criminal negligence, when there is none.

Your argument is akin to saying Eve online is an attractive nuisance.

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Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1057 - 2012-03-27 06:15:24 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Andski wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.


problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass


The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though.


Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.

CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.

As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that.


And I just keep wondering... What is worse? The actual drunken comments that The Mittani made or these insidious attempts to usurp and destroy a guy who took responsibility, apologized publicly and from all intents and purposes (from my observation) is genuinely sorry.

Seriously what's worse? Opportunism from this incident or the incident itself?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#1058 - 2012-03-27 06:16:13 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.

CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.

As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that.


I bought the gun, I went to his house and waited, then when he walked through the door - I shot his ass.

But it's ok, I apologised afterwards and told them I was drunk - for those 7 days.

Yeah doesn't really add up does it ?

So when is the new chairman due to be chosen ?

.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1059 - 2012-03-27 06:16:58 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.

CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.

As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that.


I bought the gun, I went to his house and waited, then when he walked through the door - I shot his ass.

But it's ok, I apologised afterwards and told them I was drunk - for those 7 days.

Yeah doesn't really add up does it ?

So when is the new chairman due to be chosen ?


So let me get this straight... you are comparing this to homicide?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1060 - 2012-03-27 06:16:59 UTC
It was hinted at a while ago, but it kind of died, so I just wanted to bring it back to what page 59-60ish?

Where were you people when the alliance panel first finished airing? Where were you when CCP replayed the panel? Where were you when the CSM was announced?

I mean really come on, lets put down our pitch forks and clue in here, CCP has had plenty of time to respond to this, first by not re-airing the panel, and then again at the CSM announcement.

The more I read here, the more I see *cyber* bulling in reverse, in a mob so to speak, so here you all are, pitch forking against the very thing you claim to be against.

Not that I am shocked, it's game, and you will do what ever you feel will get you to the end results you think you want.

The only losers here are the players.

who is your main, and what does he do?