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Orkasm
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#961 - 2012-03-27 05:16:52 UTC
Pedro Chang wrote:
Voith wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:
Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course.


As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year.

You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.

You suck at history.

People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life.

****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons.

Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received.


Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php

The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.


No he didn't tbh, this was done at the Alliance panel while holding the banner of a WIZARD.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#962 - 2012-03-27 05:17:19 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:

You do realize he's just resigning the chair right?

And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members?


Interesting, and how would the rest of the CSM determine that if some wanted him to resign the chair and some did not? A vote of 'No Confidence'? A recall election?

If he does resign the Chair (which I don't think he should do) then what will that do to stem the calls for his head? Those with an agenda or an axe to grind will not be satisfied with that, they will just start calling for his permabanning, or claim that he is just passing the Chair to an ally or something. Then after that it will be calling for the dissolution and banning of the Goons, or something like that.

That is the problem with mobs, they are never satisfied.

I think it should be CCPs call, myself, and that they should look at this in its entirety and have a dialogue with both Mittani and The Wis, and go from there.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#963 - 2012-03-27 05:17:22 UTC
Havecandy Getinvan wrote:
Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation.


Can anyone confirm this? I had thought it was supposed to be unfiltered. If this is true, this entire PR fiasco was CCP's fault for allowing that to go through, not Mittani's.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#964 - 2012-03-27 05:17:56 UTC
Disambiguation;

It matters legally in the sense that the charges are harsher if there is intent, but no the lack of intent does not make it legal either.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Taiwanistan
#965 - 2012-03-27 05:18:06 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:

Show me that quote and Ill biomass. Otherwise HTFU and GTFO.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46031&p=1
actually, don't biomass, i don't want to be responsible for your own mental instability

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#966 - 2012-03-27 05:18:35 UTC
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Havecandy Getinvan wrote:
Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation.


Can anyone confirm this? I had thought it was supposed to be unfiltered. If this is true, this entire PR fiasco was CCP's fault for allowing that to go through, not Mittani's.


Pretty sure this was already confirmed.

But the comment in question was an off the cuff drunken comment by Dear Leader, not part of the slides.
Aldarica
Perkone
Caldari State
#967 - 2012-03-27 05:18:35 UTC
I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.

Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap.
Jonatan Reed
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#968 - 2012-03-27 05:19:30 UTC
Trolls Troll wrote:
Sorry Mittani, but as Chair CSM this is too much. As head of Goonswarm I don't give a crap what you do, but when you represent the player base like this, it's time for you to move on.

Having yourself voted as chair because you have the largest alliance in the game shouldn't be considered any type of acheivement and maybe if your being Alex Gianturco for once, you should think about whether you are the right person to lead the CSM, when you are essentially elected via brute force......


When are you ever not elected by brute force? Ugh

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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#969 - 2012-03-27 05:19:53 UTC
Aldarica wrote:
I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.

Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap.


You're going to be very disappointed in the near future. :).
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#970 - 2012-03-27 05:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Pedro Chang wrote:
Voith wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:
Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course.


As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year.

You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.

You suck at history.

People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life.

****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons.

Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received.


Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php

The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.


Actually he was doing it as the head of his alliance. The CSM panel was during another point in the day.

EDIT: And if you assume that the person must be married to that title at all times and is unable to break themselves from it then it would be impossible for anyone in alliance leadership (the most informed about most nullsec and I'd immagine W-space etc issues) to be members of the CSM without tainting the entire process.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#971 - 2012-03-27 05:20:36 UTC
I tripped around page 25, anyone know if the great harlot has sung the song of the sirens yet?

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
lady jailbait
ambertech industries
#972 - 2012-03-27 05:21:46 UTC
i believe my words in our public channel went a lil somethin like this when mittens came on
"this guy is a grade-A douche" and "he has a very punchable face"

dude shouldnt drink, lessoned learned hard way
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#973 - 2012-03-27 05:22:02 UTC
Anyone else would be banned.

Seriously, wtf CCP.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Shere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#974 - 2012-03-27 05:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Shere
Aldarica wrote:
I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.

Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap.


Hi, where is this purported damage located? Can you point it out to me? Don't link a bunch of half-baked articles on mediocre gaming e-zines, either.

Also explain to me how his resignation does anything to repair this (made up) damage or do anything except further the goals of goon-haters who are seething mad that he got chairman again.

You people are so dense.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#975 - 2012-03-27 05:22:45 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.

From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.


This can not be quoted enough.


I agree.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#976 - 2012-03-27 05:22:50 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
No, he's not really a sadist now. He says so in his apology. Nevermind what he's said on forums and podcasts to the contrary in the past. That was all just roleplaying.


A likely story

But even if it's true, can we really afford to take the chance of some kind of relapse? Knowing what i do now, i wouldn't leave him alone with a kitten to find out.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
#977 - 2012-03-27 05:23:28 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Pedro Chang wrote:
Voith wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:
Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course.


As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year.

You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.

You suck at history.

People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life.

****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons.

Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received.


Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php

The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.


Actually he was doing it as the head of his alliance. The CSM panel was during another point in the day.

So, just because the panel was the Alliance panel, he no longer holds the title of CSM President, ect.? Got it, forget everything I said. Roll
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#978 - 2012-03-27 05:23:54 UTC
This is cool, gj

Mistakes happen, and this is how they are handled.

Now we can get back to internet spaceships!

.
Hotaru Yamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#979 - 2012-03-27 05:24:43 UTC
I forgive you bro.
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#980 - 2012-03-27 05:24:46 UTC
Mechael wrote:
Anyone else would be banned.

Seriously, wtf CCP.